[GoodEnough]

This has turned into "one of those" topics! Play nicely please

It's important to refute the lies of the conspiracy theorists, but they get abusive when we do.

 

[GoodEnough]

Of course numbers will increase with population increases, but percentages are increasing rapidly - and that's nothing to do with population growth. Your last paragraph is certainly correct, but if you read the latest research, there is strong evidence that the percentage of children diagnosed with autism and ADHD has increased in parallel with the increase in childhood vaccinations. That might be coincidental, but how can we be sure?

Certainly, these illnesses existed a century ago, so vaccination isn't the only factor. But there is cause to fear that it may be a factor in the huge increase. I suspect there are many other possible contributors - including IVF, Caesarian births, more formula feeding. Basically, anything that interferes with nature carries major risks in my opinion. Modern medicine has achieved great things, but the incidence of chronic illness and disability is increasing at an alarming rate, and many scientists are pointing to possible factors but being shut down by commercial interests and politicians who support those commercial interests. I guess I am just suspicious by nature. I've seen too much deception and political and commercial conspiracy. What I have seen has destroyed my ability to trust.

The incidence of chronic illness and disability is NOT increasing at an alarming rate

 

[Rain72]

So tell me, where do you get these FACTS from.
The astonishing increase in vaccinations has caused the astonishing increase in autism??? No joke, you believe that???
There has been an alarming decrease in immunisations, ever since the ex herion addict whacko JFKJnr started his hairbrained theories, which have been widely debunked by medical experts across the world , putting children's lives at risk.
Our generation were immunised at school for everything without all this whohah and most of these things had been eradicated. Now they are coming back.
What's your answer to that.

I have never said vaccines CAUSED the increase. I said increased childhood vaccinations has occurred in parallel with increased autism and ADHD. There is an abundance of data out there that suggest POSSIBLE links between autism and vaccines. Nobody knows for certain what is causing the increase in autism and ADHD (though it was recently claimed that it is being grossly over-diagnosed, and I suspect that is true). Powerful commercial interests rapidly shut down inconvenient scientific debate, sadly.
And no, the things we were vaccinated for are NOT coming back. What is prevalent today is heart disease - which is known to be connected to the Covid jab; and cancer (for most types there has never been a vaccination), Autism and ADHD (no vaccination exists to my knowledge and certainly no preventative measures are widely known), other mental illnesses (probably attributable to the increasing stresses of life and work), and various other ailments for which vaccinations do not exist.

We are not seeing large diphtheria, tetanus or polio outbreaks, thankfully. I have never believed measles, chicken pox or mumps were particularly harmful. Everyone I knew as a child had those diseases without any ill effects. I am glad I was vaccinated against the really serious ailments, though, including smallpox, cholera and typhoid. I am just concerned at the ever-increasing number of jabs babies are being subjected to, because I believe nature created a being with good natural immunities and I think too much interference with nature is likely to be harmful.

Frankly, I think aggressive responses to opinions are evidence of gross ignorance. The experts don't agree on these controversial topics, and science is about constant questioning and new discoveries. 'Settled' refers to religion, not science. And anyone who can't be open-minded and courteous in a debate is a zealot.

My answer 'to that' is that you don't know and neither do I and neither do the experts. We are all guessing, learning and hoping, with scientists making new discoveries every day. I know what I know - and that is that my doctor left general practice because she disagreed with the Covid jab campaign, and her replacement concurred with her view but was afraid to let anyone know because those who openly disagreed were bullied, and that proves the bullies were afraid of inconvenient truths being exposed. Similarly, doctors who question childhood vaccines are being bullied, and that evidences that commercial convenience may be prevailing over truth.

I also know that many, many people I know have suffered major ill effects from vaccines (one in particular) - including death in some cases. That is FACT. And it is cruel and disgusting in the extreme to dismiss their grief and claim you know more than they do about what caused their tragedy, when you have never even met them. Try doing some research with an open mind. You might be amazed at what you learn. But if you are not willing to be open minded, at least show some basic human decency.

 

[Rain72]

It's important to refute the lies of the conspiracy theorists, but they get abusive when we do.

Says the abuser who is peddling conspiracy theories and screamming vile insults at anyone who contests them.

Why is it important for YOUR UNVALIDATED OPINION to be accepted and anyone else's knowledge dismissed? What is important is for TRUTH to be exposed, and that requires courteous and intelligent discussion by open-minded people - something you clearly are not capable of.

Now retract your disgusting defamatory statement. It's fortunate I use an alias here, because if I were identifiable you might be facing a very expensive law suit. Only very stupid people made statements such as you made about people they don't know and topics they are clearly ignorant but indoctrinated on. Try doing some research. You will be amazed what you lean if you can lose the bigoted attitude.

 

[Rain72]

The incidence of chronic illness and disability is NOT increasing at an alarming rate

Prove it. A Google search says otherwise. Yes, the incidence of disability in the general population is increasing,

"Increase in long-term health conditions:
A rise in chronic and long-term health conditions contributes to a greater number of people with disabilities."

 

[DLHM]

And in this case, I certainly know a great deal that you don't.

That was part of your reply to @GoodEnough. Your ASSumption?

Oops, my Caps Lock must’ve gotten stuck on the double “S” like yours did in your previous post #88 to @mylittletibbies.

 

[Jo Piper3]

What is everyone cooking for dinner?

 

[GoodEnough]

I have never said vaccines CAUSED the increase. I said increased childhood vaccinations has occurred in parallel with increased autism and ADHD. There is an abundance of data out there that suggest POSSIBLE links between autism and vaccines. Nobody knows for certain what is causing the increase in autism and ADHD (though it was recently claimed that it is being grossly over-diagnosed, and I suspect that is true). Powerful commercial interests rapidly shut down inconvenient scientific debate, sadly.
And no, the things we were vaccinated for are NOT coming back. What is prevalent today is heart disease - which is known to be connected to the Covid jab; and cancer (for most types there has never been a vaccination), Autism and ADHD (no vaccination exists to my knowledge and certainly no preventative measures are widely known), other mental illnesses (probably attributable to the increasing stresses of life and work), and various other ailments for which vaccinations do not exist.

We are not seeing large diphtheria, tetanus or polio outbreaks, thankfully. I have never believed measles, chicken pox or mumps were particularly harmful. Everyone I knew as a child had those diseases without any ill effects. I am glad I was vaccinated against the really serious ailments, though, including smallpox, cholera and typhoid. I am just concerned at the ever-increasing number of jabs babies are being subjected to, because I believe nature created a being with good natural immunities and I think too much interference with nature is likely to be harmful.

Frankly, I think aggressive responses to opinions are evidence of gross ignorance. The experts don't agree on these controversial topics, and science is about constant questioning and new discoveries. 'Settled' refers to religion, not science. And anyone who can't be open-minded and courteous in a debate is a zealot.

My answer 'to that' is that you don't know and neither do I and neither do the experts. We are all guessing, learning and hoping, with scientists making new discoveries every day. I know what I know - and that is that my doctor left general practice because she disagreed with the Covid jab campaign, and her replacement concurred with her view but was afraid to let anyone know because those who openly disagreed were bullied, and that proves the bullies were afraid of inconvenient truths being exposed. Similarly, doctors who question childhood vaccines are being bullied, and that evidences that commercial convenience may be prevailing over truth.

I also know that many, many people I know have suffered major ill effects from vaccines (one in particular) - including death in some cases. That is FACT. And it is cruel and disgusting in the extreme to dismiss their grief and claim you know more than they do about what caused their tragedy, when you have never even met them. Try doing some research with an open mind. You might be amazed at what you learn. But if you are not willing to be open minded, at least show some basic human decency.

There is NOT an abundance of data out there that suggest POSSIBLE links between autism and vaccines.

There's a lot of quackery coming out of the USA, which you seem to have chosen to believe.

 

[DLHM]

What is everyone cooking for dinner?

Hahaha! Love it @Jo Piper3!
Well, as it happens, I know @Veggiepatch is preparing Honey Mustard Chicken on rice.

 

[GoodEnough]

Says the abuser who is peddling conspiracy theories and screamming vile insults at anyone who contests them.

Why is it important for YOUR UNVALIDATED OPINION to be accepted and anyone else's knowledge dismissed? What is important is for TRUTH to be exposed, and that requires courteous and intelligent discussion by open-minded people - something you clearly are not capable of.

Now retract your disgusting defamatory statement. It's fortunate I use an alias here, because if I were identifiable you might be facing a very expensive law suit. Only very stupid people made statements such as you made about people they don't know and topics they are clearly ignorant but indoctrinated on. Try doing some research. You will be amazed what you lean if you can lose the bigoted attitude.

 

[Rain72]

That was part of your reply to @GoodEnough. Your ASSumption?

Oops, my Caps Lock must’ve gotten stuck on the double “S” like yours did in your previous post #88 to @mylittletibbies.

Not an ASSumption, because I have done extensive research after witnessing first-hand evidence that the claims being made that the jab was safe were false. And that research included watching a lengthy 'Nuremberg 2' inquiry at which hundreds of experts testified, on both sides of the debate, as well as watching interviews with people whose experiences evidenced commercial and political interference to hide truths, and reading the very lengthy Pfizer report that recently confessed to a huge number of known adverse effects, to lies about testing in original claims, and to improper conduct by persons involved in testing and approving. Oh, and watching very closely to verify that when certain politicians were 'jabbed' on TV to push their program, the needle actually had a cap on it and never went in. I did that extensive research because people I loved were adversely impacted by vaccines. Initially, doctors tried to blame other causes. Later, they admitted being ordered to find other causes but now feeling safe to expose truth.

I also know, from conversations with a former Chief of Police, just how political campaigns are rigged to deceive the public when politicians want to push a certain agenda. And I know from family experience how the public is deceived when a truth is politically inconvenient. I wrote a book that exposed the extent of deception on one particular very controversial topic, and I have formal government documents to validate what was written in that book.

 

[Jo Piper3]

Hahaha! Love it @Jo Piper3!
Well, as it happens, I know @Veggiepatch is preparing Honey Mustard Chicken on rice.

Yum!

 

[Veggiepatch]

No, I don't get anything from a book of conspiracy theories. I deal in FACT. And you clearly are still believing the massive conspiracy that has now been widely exposed. Well, I guess you have to. You can't accept that you might have damaged your body with 5 jabs that are now widely recognised for the dangers they imposed.
Hint: The Conspiracy Theorists are the guys trying to silence question and debate. That would be the authorities who threatened to deregister any doctor who spoke out about concerns.

As for Tylenol or Shane Warne. Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know. You just proved nothing you say has any validity.
Do you have nothing better to do in your life than rant abusively at people who don't agree with your conspiracy theories?

I'm really glad you have not noted any ill effects from the jab. I hope you never do. But news flash - one swallow doesn't make a summer. Your experience MEANS NOTHING. And what I stated is FACT, not hogwash. Who the hell are you to question my experiences? Your tone proves your ignorance.

Please quote the source of your "facts".

And don't bother with some alternative witchdoctor websites whose conspiracies were dreamt up in a cloud of cannabis smoke.

 

[DLHM]

An excerpt from your post #88:

Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know.

So you think your replies aren’t nasty? What’s with the implication of your post to the recipient being an ASS?

Your posts are full of contradictions.

I’m finished with this subject.

 

[Veggiepatch]

I also know, from conversations with a former Chief of Police, just how political campaigns are rigged to deceive the public when politicians want to push a certain agenda. And I know from family experience how the public is deceived when a truth is politically inconvenient. I wrote a book that exposed the extent of deception on one particular very controversial topic, and I have formal government documents to validate what was written in that book.

A "Chief of Police" (known as a Commissioner in Australia) or any law enforcement agency has nothing to do with political misconduct. These are investigated by independent anti-corruption bodies or parliamentary committees. Ever heard of the ICAC in New South Wales? That's just one example.

You have an overactive imagination bordering on a delusional disorder. Delusions are fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence.

Do you exhibit these characteristics? From your posts of today, there is overwhelming evidence that you do.

 

[Wolfrain]

I remember hearing about the autism lawsuit a while back and diving down the rabbit hole out of curiosity. A lot of what gets passed around online is based on fear, not facts. It’s easy to think there’s some big cover-up, but I’ve learned to look at verified studies and expert opinions, not just random claims. Some of the replies here are spot on about questioning things but sticking to science.

 

[Veggiepatch]

@Rain72 do you recall this idiot?

In 1998, Andrew Wakefield and 12 of his colleagues published a case series in the Lancet, which suggested that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may predispose to behavioral regression and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Despite the small sample size (n=12), the uncontrolled design, and the speculative nature of the conclusions, the paper received wide publicity, and MMR vaccination rates began to drop because parents were concerned about the risk of autism after vaccination.

The final episode in the saga is the revelation that Wakefield et al. were guilty of deliberate fraud (they picked and chose data that suited their case; they falsified facts). The British Medical Journal has published a series of articles on the exposure of the fraud, which appears to have taken place for financial gain.

Wakefield asserted that MMR vaccines that contained a mercury based preservative, thiomersal, contributed to the prevalence of autism in children. Just like clowns of The Forest of the Fallen who believe that the COVID-19 vaccines were directly responsible for over 300 deaths in Australia, through their https://au.jabinjuriesglobal.com/ affiliates.

Both sound like mates of yours.

The MMR vaccine and autism: Sensation, refutation, retraction, and fraud - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Veggiepatch]

And you have peddled old propaganda that has been disproved over and over. But you are too ignorant and abusive to even consider a different point of view.

I see that you haven't quoted the source of your "facts" since they are unmitigared bullshit!

 

[mylittletibbies]

Hahaha! Love it @Jo Piper3!
Well, as it happens, I know @Veggiepatch is preparing Honey Mustard Chicken on rice.

Can I come to dinner please. We could have some very interesting dinner chatter about our open minded friend whose mind is so open I think his brain flew out. Lol
For somebody who said he wasn't going to write anymore, he certainly has a lot to say.

 

[mylittletibbies]

Not an ASSumption, because I have done extensive research after witnessing first-hand evidence that the claims being made that the jab was safe were false. And that research included watching a lengthy 'Nuremberg 2' inquiry at which hundreds of experts testified, on both sides of the debate, as well as watching interviews with people whose experiences evidenced commercial and political interference to hide truths, and reading the very lengthy Pfizer report that recently confessed to a huge number of known adverse effects, to lies about testing in original claims, and to improper conduct by persons involved in testing and approving. Oh, and watching very closely to verify that when certain politicians were 'jabbed' on TV to push their program, the needle actually had a cap on it and never went in. I did that extensive research because people I loved were adversely impacted by vaccines. Initially, doctors tried to blame other causes. Later, they admitted being ordered to find other causes but now feeling safe to expose truth.

I also know, from conversations with a former Chief of Police, just how political campaigns are rigged to deceive the public when politicians want to push a certain agenda. And I know from family experience how the public is deceived when a truth is politically inconvenient. I wrote a book that exposed the extent of deception on one particular very controversial topic, and I have formal government documents to validate what was written in that book.

"The Chief of Police" ??? Man, you're a complete whack job.
Next time I'm talking to the Prime Minister and my friend Kjng Charles. I'll have to discuss this with them and ask their opinion. ROTFLMAO!!