[glennkidd]

Trump is not “just repeating expert advice” — he’s selectively amplifying fringe or misinterpreted studies and presenting inconclusive research as settled science.

So what's new?
Albo, Bobo et al do it all the time.

 

[GoodEnough]

Trump is not “just repeating expert advice” — he’s selectively amplifying fringe or misinterpreted studies and presenting inconclusive research as settled science.

So what's new?
Albo, Bobo et al do it all the time.

Bobo?

 

[Rain72]

Honestly making wild statements. You take the cake for that.
Over 9 billion COVID shots were given globally after which 55 deaths occurred, 17 of these only having a casual rellationship to the COVID shots.
There is no PROOF that COVID shots are still killing people or that millions of people died from it.
Only the ravings of conspiracy theorists like you. You are the ones making wild statements. The TGA doesn't do it's job?? How would you know?? Do you have a scientific or medical degree.

Is it painful to be so closed minded?? You should know?? I wonder if you even have a mind . When brains were being given out, did you think they said trains and decided to wait for the next one.

There's plenty of research out there, you just don't want to know. Too long down the rabbit hole.

So why isn't the TGA answering key questions and evidencing how it determined the jab was safe? And where do you get those fake figures from? Because they are certainly fake. In my small circle of acquaintances, a chronic heart condition certain to lead to premature death, a stillborn, a death from a blood clot, a miscarriage, several premature deaths from various organ failures, and multiple instances of turbo-cancer have all been determined to be due to the jab. Not one of my circle who weren't jabbed had more than a super-mild case of Covid, but all who were jabbed had very severe cases and at least half have ongoing chronic health problems they never had before the jab. My own doctor left general practice in protest against the lies about the jab being safe and her replacement told us not to have the jab because it was unsafe, but said to keep quiet because he'd be fired if anyone knew that. Clearly, the conspiracy was the opposite lot to those you accuse, because only in a conspiracy are experts forced into silence when they have grave concerns about public health. Science encourages debate. Religion silences it. The Covid story was religion.

Common sense told many of us the claims about such a new vaccine could not possibly be true, as there had not been time to test it properly. The research now is actually evidencing the jab caused serious adverse effects and many deaths. Instances of turbo-cancer and heart disease, particularly in the young, have gone through the roof. Sportsmen have dropped dead on sports fields. It is now widely claimed by medical experts that the jab is to blame. Even Pfizer have now admitted to hundreds of serious adverse effects. You are behind the times, sorry! Too long believing the people driving the global conspiracy.

 

[Rain72]

Some of the stuff he comes out with really makes you scratch your head. I’d rather listen to proper doctors with experience instead of random statements made without proof.

That would be the 'proper doctors with experience' who were too scared to speak out against a vaccine that we now know was neither safe nor effective, because they were threatened with loss of their license to practice if they disagreed with the global masters?

 

[Rain72]

So why IS the instance of autism and ADHD increasing so rapidly?

"Professor Whitehouse explained that while some studies have found associations between paracetamol use during pregnancy and autism, others found no effect—or even the opposite."

So 'some studies' show it's just possible Trump might be right. Just as 'some studies' showed the Covid jab was not safe and effective, and that was ultimately proved to be the case - despite vehement public declarations and brutal torment of anyone who spoke out against it.

Some studies have also shown childhood vaccines may cause autism. Certainly the incidence of autism in the community has increased very much in line with the astonishing increase in childhood vaccines. (It really boggles the mind that babies could be born so hideously unhealthy that they need so many vaccinations before their second birthday! And really you have to wonder about the logic of giving some of those vaccines.)

Where profit is involved, there will be lies and false assurances. If there is even a remote chance that using something in pregnancy MIGHT add to the risk of autism - or any other chronic health problem - pregnant women should be warned and would be wise to avoid it. Why do we need proof? Shouldn't the mantra be 'Eliminate even the smallest risks if we can'?

We know that Big Pharma is profit-driven. We know the Big Pharma is super-powerful. We know that people in high places - including those tasked with verifying drugs are safe - can sometimes be bought off. So why would we ASSume that Trump's caution is irresponsible or wrong. I would prefer to see people in authority offering cautions. Until they stop the rapid increase in incidences of autism and ADHD, I can't accept that anyone knows for sure what is causing it.

 

[mylittletibbies]

So why isn't the TGA answering key questions and evidencing how it determined the jab was safe? And where do you get those fake figures from? Because they are certainly fake. In my small circle of acquaintances, a chronic heart condition certain to lead to premature death, a stillborn, a death from a blood clot, a miscarriage, several premature deaths from various organ failures, and multiple instances of turbo-cancer have all been determined to be due to the jab. Not one of my circle who weren't jabbed had more than a super-mild case of Covid, but all who were jabbed had very severe cases and at least half have ongoing chronic health problems they never had before the jab. My own doctor left general practice in protest against the lies about the jab being safe and her replacement told us not to have the jab because it was unsafe, but said to keep quiet because he'd be fired if anyone knew that. Clearly, the conspiracy was the opposite lot to those you accuse, because only in a conspiracy are experts forced into silence when they have grave concerns about public health. Science encourages debate. Religion silences it. The Covid story was religion.

Common sense told many of us the claims about such a new vaccine could not possibly be true, as there had not been time to test it properly. The research now is actually evidencing the jab caused serious adverse effects and many deaths. Instances of turbo-cancer and heart disease, particularly in the young, have gone through the roof. Sportsmen have dropped dead on sports fields. It is now widely claimed by medical experts that the jab is to blame. Even Pfizer have now admitted to hundreds of serious adverse effects. You are behind the times, sorry! Too long believing the people driving the global conspiracy.

People have, all throughout history, died from all the things you mentioned. Miscarriages. Stillbirths. etc etc. Your small group of friends all had these experiences. What a load of hogwash.I
I've had 5 jabs. No ill effects, never had COVID.
Tell me where you are getting this information from. "The Conspiracy Theorists Book of Deluded Information ".
You are so far down the rabbit hole you'll never find your way out.
I suppose you believe Tylenol also causes autism.
I imagine you're one of those that stated that Shane Warne died because of the jab. Nothing to do with his lifestyle of smoking and heavy drinking.
Do you not have anything better to do in your life??

 

[mylittletibbies]

So why IS the instance of autism and ADHD increasing so rapidly?

"Professor Whitehouse explained that while some studies have found associations between paracetamol use during pregnancy and autism, others found no effect—or even the opposite."

So 'some studies' show it's just possible Trump might be right. Just as 'some studies' showed the Covid jab was not safe and effective, and that was ultimately proved to be the case - despite vehement public declarations and brutal torment of anyone who spoke out against it.

Some studies have also shown childhood vaccines may cause autism. Certainly the incidence of autism in the community has increased very much in line with the astonishing increase in childhood vaccines. (It really boggles the mind that babies could be born so hideously unhealthy that they need so many vaccinations before their second birthday! And really you have to wonder about the logic of giving some of those vaccines.)

Where profit is involved, there will be lies and false assurances. If there is even a remote chance that using something in pregnancy MIGHT add to the risk of autism - or any other chronic health problem - pregnant women should be warned and would be wise to avoid it. Why do we need proof? Shouldn't the mantra be 'Eliminate even the smallest risks if we can'?

We know that Big Pharma is profit-driven. We know the Big Pharma is super-powerful. We know that people in high places - including those tasked with verifying drugs are safe - can sometimes be bought off. So why would we ASSume that Trump's caution is irresponsible or wrong. I would prefer to see people in authority offering cautions. Until they stop the rapid increase in incidences of autism and ADHD, I can't accept that anyone knows for sure what is causing it.

OMG .

 

[Rain72]

People have, all throughout history, died from all the things you mentioned. Miscarriages. Stillbirths. etc etc. Your small group of friends all had these experiences. What a load of hogwash.I
I've had 5 jabs. No ill effects, never had COVID.
Tell me where you are getting this information from. "The Conspiracy Theorists Book of Deluded Information ".
You are so far down the rabbit hole you'll never find your way out.
I suppose you believe Tylenol also causes autism.
I imagine you're one of those that stated that Shane Warne died because of the jab. Nothing to do with his lifestyle of smoking and heavy drinking.
Do you not have anything better to do in your life??

No, I don't get anything from a book of conspiracy theories. I deal in FACT. And you clearly are still believing the massive conspiracy that has now been widely exposed. Well, I guess you have to. You can't accept that you might have damaged your body with 5 jabs that are now widely recognised for the dangers they imposed.
Hint: The Conspiracy Theorists are the guys trying to silence question and debate. That would be the authorities who threatened to deregister any doctor who spoke out about concerns.

As for Tylenol or Shane Warne. Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know. You just proved nothing you say has any validity.
Do you have nothing better to do in your life than rant abusively at people who don't agree with your conspiracy theories?

I'm really glad you have not noted any ill effects from the jab. I hope you never do. But news flash - one swallow doesn't make a summer. Your experience MEANS NOTHING. And what I stated is FACT, not hogwash. Who the hell are you to question my experiences? Your tone proves your ignorance.

 

[GoodEnough]

So why isn't the TGA answering key questions and evidencing how it determined the jab was safe? And where do you get those fake figures from? Because they are certainly fake. In my small circle of acquaintances, a chronic heart condition certain to lead to premature death, a stillborn, a death from a blood clot, a miscarriage, several premature deaths from various organ failures, and multiple instances of turbo-cancer have all been determined to be due to the jab. Not one of my circle who weren't jabbed had more than a super-mild case of Covid, but all who were jabbed had very severe cases and at least half have ongoing chronic health problems they never had before the jab. My own doctor left general practice in protest against the lies about the jab being safe and her replacement told us not to have the jab because it was unsafe, but said to keep quiet because he'd be fired if anyone knew that. Clearly, the conspiracy was the opposite lot to those you accuse, because only in a conspiracy are experts forced into silence when they have grave concerns about public health. Science encourages debate. Religion silences it. The Covid story was religion.

Common sense told many of us the claims about such a new vaccine could not possibly be true, as there had not been time to test it properly. The research now is actually evidencing the jab caused serious adverse effects and many deaths. Instances of turbo-cancer and heart disease, particularly in the young, have gone through the roof. Sportsmen have dropped dead on sports fields. It is now widely claimed by medical experts that the jab is to blame. Even Pfizer have now admitted to hundreds of serious adverse effects. You are behind the times, sorry! Too long believing the people driving the global conspiracy.

The vaccine was NOT "new"! It was simply further development in area area where decades of work had already been done.

I don't believe your cliam that your

"doctor left general practice in protest against the lies about the jab being safe and her replacement told us not to have the jab because it was unsafe". That's simply ridiculous. And your stories of people becoming sick or dying after the jab sound like lies too. Provide proof if you have it, and remember that correlation doesn't mean causation. Do you even know what that means.

 

[GoodEnough]

No, I don't get anything from a book of conspiracy theories. I deal in FACT. And you clearly are still believing the massive conspiracy that has now been widely exposed. Well, I guess you have to. You can't accept that you might have damaged your body with 5 jabs that are now widely recognised for the dangers they imposed.
Hint: The Conspiracy Theorists are the guys trying to silence question and debate. That would be the authorities who threatened to deregister any doctor who spoke out about concerns.

As for Tylenol or Shane Warne. Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know. You just proved nothing you say has any validity.
Do you have nothing better to do in your life than rant abusively at people who don't agree with your conspiracy theories?

I'm really glad you have not noted any ill effects from the jab. I hope you never do. But news flash - one swallow doesn't make a summer. Your experience MEANS NOTHING. And what I stated is FACT, not hogwash. Who the hell are you to question my experiences? Your tone proves your ignorance.

You also have provided no proof, just incredibly unlikely stories.

 

[JenH23]

Every time he opens his mouth he sprouts complete garbage. He's got the intelligence of a dead ant.

 

[mylittletibbies]

No, I don't get anything from a book of conspiracy theories. I deal in FACT. And you clearly are still believing the massive conspiracy that has now been widely exposed. Well, I guess you have to. You can't accept that you might have damaged your body with 5 jabs that are now widely recognised for the dangers they imposed.
Hint: The Conspiracy Theorists are the guys trying to silence question and debate. That would be the authorities who threatened to deregister any doctor who spoke out about concerns.

As for Tylenol or Shane Warne. Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know. You just proved nothing you say has any validity.
Do you have nothing better to do in your life than rant abusively at people who don't agree with your conspiracy theories?

I'm really glad you have not noted any ill effects from the jab. I hope you never do. But news flash - one swallow doesn't make a summer. Your experience MEANS NOTHING. And what I stated is FACT, not hogwash. Who the hell are you to question my experiences? Your tone proves your ignorance.

 

[Rain72]

The vaccine was NOT "new"! It was simply further development in area area where decades of work had already been done.

I don't believe your cliam that your

So now you are calling me a liar. That's pretty strong evidence that you are wrong. People don't get abusive and nasty when they are confident.

I won't respond further to your abuse. It is evidence that I touched a nerve. I am sorry if I raised concerns about the possible damage your 5 jabs might have done to your health.

 

[mylittletibbies]

People have, all throughout history, died from all the things you mentioned. Miscarriages. Stillbirths. etc etc. Your small group of friends all had these experiences. What a load of hogwash.I
I've had 5 jabs. No ill effects, never had COVID.
Tell me where you are getting this information from. "The Conspiracy Theorists Book of Deluded Information ".
You are so far down the rabbit hole you'll never find your way out.
I suppose you believe Tylenol also causes autism.
I imagine you're one of those that stated that Shane Warne died because of the jab. Nothing to do with his lifestyle of smoking and heavy drinking.
Do you not have anything better to do in your life??

No, I don't get anything from a book of conspiracy theories. I deal in FACT. And you clearly are still believing the massive conspiracy that has now been widely exposed. Well, I guess you have to. You can't accept that you might have damaged your body with 5 jabs that are now widely recognised for the dangers they imposed.
Hint: The Conspiracy Theorists are the guys trying to silence question and debate. That would be the authorities who threatened to deregister any doctor who spoke out about concerns.

As for Tylenol or Shane Warne. Why would you ASSume, much less imagine, what I might believe or have stated? Only ASSes make assumptions about people they don't know. You just proved nothing you say has any validity.
Do you have nothing better to do in your life than rant abusively at people who don't agree with your conspiracy theories?

I'm really glad you have not noted any ill effects from the jab. I hope you never do. But news flash - one swallow doesn't make a summer. Your experience MEANS NOTHING. And what I stated is FACT, not hogwash. Who the hell are you to question my experiences? Your tone proves your ignorance.

So tell me, where do you get these FACTS from.
The astonishing increase in vaccinations has caused the astonishing increase in autism??? No joke, you believe that???
There has been an alarming decrease in immunisations, ever since the ex herion addict whacko JFKJnr started his hairbrained theories, which have been widely debunked by medical experts across the world , putting children's lives at risk.
Our generation were immunised at school for everything without all this whohah and most of these things had been eradicated. Now they are coming back.
What's your answer to that.

 

[DLHM]

So why IS the instance of autism and ADHD increasing so rapidly?

Doesn’t it stand to reason that with rapidly increasing population worldwide, there will continue to be more and more incidences of autism and ADHD?

That makes sense to me since no one knows what the causes are.

I know two friends who refused to vaccinate their children. In one case, the eldest child has autism and in the other case, one child has high functioning autism. In both cases, the other siblings did not.

Reason? Sometimes things happen that defy reason. Until the proof is shown, we can only speculate.

 

[GoodEnough]

So now you are calling me a liar. That's pretty strong evidence that you are wrong. People don't get abusive and nasty when they are confident.

I won't respond further to your abuse. It is evidence that I touched a nerve. I am sorry if I raised concerns about the possible damage your 5 jabs might have done to your health.

I've had 8 COVID jabs. Plus probably another 50 for other things in my longish life. MY health is excellent.

Yes, you ARE a liar.

 

[Jo Piper3]

This has turned into "one of those" topics! Play nicely please

 

[Rain72]

You also have provided no proof, just incredibly unlikely stories.

And you have peddled old propaganda that has been disproved over and over. But you are too ignorant and abusive to even consider a different point of view.

 

[Rain72]

I've had 8 COVID jabs. Plus probably another 50 for other things in my longish life. MY health is excellent.

Yes, you ARE a liar.

How deluded can you be? You think because no adverse effects have yet been detected in YOU, that's proof of anything? How ridiculous! News flash! You are one of hundreds of millions in this vast world. And millions have presented concrete evidence that ALL vaccines and drugs carry risks. And certainly the mRNA-based vaccines carry major risks.

You have no proof to substantiate your vile and disgusting invalid accusation. But thank you for admitting that you are not just wrong and very ignorant, but also an extremely nasty person. Nobody who was confident in their beliefs would EVER defame someone they don't even know. Only people who lack intelligence do that. And only people who lack intelligence cling to a belief after evidence has been presented that it may be incorrect. Intelligent people question, research further and debate respectfully - understanding that just because someone else's experience doesn't match theirs does not make that other person untruthful or wrong. They may well know something you don't. And in this case, I certainly know a great deal that you don't. The liars are the powerful people you believed. Sorry, but that's just FACT, and all intelligent people know it.

 

[Rain72]

Doesn’t it stand to reason that with rapidly increasing population worldwide, there will continue to be more and more incidences of autism and ADHD?

That makes sense to me since no one knows what the causes are.

I know two friends who refused to vaccinate their children. In one case, the eldest child has autism and in the other case, one child has high functioning autism. In both cases, the other siblings did not.

Reason? Sometimes things happen that defy reason. Until the proof is shown, we can only speculate.

Of course numbers will increase with population increases, but percentages are increasing rapidly - and that's nothing to do with population growth. Your last paragraph is certainly correct, but if you read the latest research, there is strong evidence that the percentage of children diagnosed with autism and ADHD has increased in parallel with the increase in childhood vaccinations. That might be coincidental, but how can we be sure?

Certainly, these illnesses existed a century ago, so vaccination isn't the only factor. But there is cause to fear that it may be a factor in the huge increase. I suspect there are many other possible contributors - including IVF, Caesarian births, more formula feeding. Basically, anything that interferes with nature carries major risks in my opinion. Modern medicine has achieved great things, but the incidence of chronic illness and disability is increasing at an alarming rate, and many scientists are pointing to possible factors but being shut down by commercial interests and politicians who support those commercial interests. I guess I am just suspicious by nature. I've seen too much deception and political and commercial conspiracy. What I have seen has destroyed my ability to trust.