Stop this driving habit or risk losing $514 and your driving licence!

Navigating the roads can be challenging, especially for those new to the driver's seat.

However, for P-platers, the stakes are higher due to stringent rules that could see them facing hefty fines and the loss of their driving privileges for an everyday habit.


In a world where smartphones are essential to our daily lives, it's hard to imagine not using them for navigation, especially during long drives.

However, for your grandkids with a provisional driving licence, this everyday habit could come with a costly consequence.

Jahan Kalantar, Managing Partner of Executive Law Group, highlighted what he calls one of Australia's 'craziest road rules'.


compressed-driving.jpeg
Drivers caught using their phones may face hefty fines that double up in school zones or double-demerit days. Image Credits: Pexels/Andrea Piacquadio


In a video posted on social media, he warned that P-platers could be hit with a fine of up to $514 if caught using their phone's GPS.

It doesn't stop there—listening to music on your phone while driving could also lead to demerit points.


The rules, outlined by Transport for NSW, are clear: provisional drivers cannot use their phones in any capacity while driving---including hands-free mode, Bluetooth, loudspeaker, and even GPS navigation.

The only exceptions are when they must present their digital licence to police or use their phone's wallet function at a drive-thru.

P1 drivers caught using a mobile phone illegally will exceed their demerit point limit and face a three-month licence suspension.

P2 licence holders will only have two demerit points left in their record.

The standard penalty for using a phone while driving is $349, which may increase to $514 in a school zone, along with five demerit points.

Awareness must be raised, particularly among young drivers who need to realise that using their phones for directions is against the law.


The rule sparked debate among social media users, with many calling it 'outdated'.

'Not being able to use it as a GPS is insane,' one comment read.

'Making long trips without listening to music is ridiculous,' a second wrote.

'Such a crazy rule. Many young people work as delivery drivers and need a GPS to get around,' a third said.

Watch Kalantar’s explainer video here:

Source: @jahankalantarofficial/TikTok

Despite the outcry, only some believe the rule is unreasonable.

National Roads and Motorists' Association Limited (NRMA) Spokesman Peter Khoury stood by the policy and emphasised that it is designed to ensure a 'complete disconnect' between inexperienced drivers and their phones.

'It can be a complicated policy, but we understand why these specific restrictions would be applied to young drivers as they're still building their experience on the roads, and the last thing we want is for them to be distracted with their phones,' he said.

Mr Khoury also pointed out that there's no excuse for ignorance of the rules.

He stated that young drivers were taught what is and is not allowed while they're learning to drive, and these rules should always be remembered.

For our members driven around by their grandkids for errands, it's a reminder that while technology has made many aspects of our lives easier, there are times when we need to disconnect for our safety and the safety of others on the road.

This is a reminder for P-platers to stick to the rules, no matter how inconvenient they may seem, for the risks of not doing so are too high.
Key Takeaways

  • P-platers in NSW are prohibited from using their mobile phones for any function while driving, including GPS navigation.
  • Using a mobile phone while driving can result in substantial fines and the loss of all demerit points for P1 drivers, with P2 drivers left with only two points.
  • The penalty for illegal mobile phone use while driving is $349, or $514 and five demerit points in a school zone, doubling during demerit point periods.
  • Despite some calling the restriction 'unfair' and 'outdated', the rule was justified to reduce distractions for inexperienced drivers.
What do you think of this road rule? Do you or your grandkids rely on their phone's GPS during travels? Let us know your insights in the comments section below.
 
Last edited:
Sponsored
If you want to listen to music use the radio
I don't use a GPS, I google the directions before I leave.
I don't know what the fuss is about, we've managed most of our lives without all this technology. Surely P plate drivers can survive this short period of time while they are developing their driving skills.
 
People forget a lot of P-platers are delivery drivers. And I bet most so called Full Licence people use GPS (especially in the cities) and listen to music via their phones.
I'm am 63 and I now use my phone for music (no CD player in my car) and I use GPS, as all the roads keep changing.
I still remember having my "Gregorie's" on the seat beside me, open trying to read where I needed to get to in Sydney traffic. Or turning the radio knob hoping to find a radio station for some music or the News (we didn't have auto search back then).
The RMS & Government are only trying to raise money and trying hard to look like they are doing something about road accidents.
I for one am against this so called law. Either that or this SO CALLED RULE should be for everyone.
Australia, you are becoming more like a jail state every day.
 
Last edited:
I acknowledge that delivery drivers and the like would need GPS but if it's the law, they'd be better off buying a GPS unit.

As for 18-25 year old P platers, they need 100% focus on what they and other drivers are doing.

They are not experienced enough to cope with any distraction so a total mobile phone ban makes sense because of the dependence many of them have built up over the previous 10 or more years.
 
Last edited:
how are these P platers meant to get from point A to point B if they don't know ans have never been there before. I'm 79 and I use my google maps alot now that my wife who was my navigater is no longer with us. My google map directions are told to me through the radoi in my car with with my phone plugged into the USB.Surely a P plater would be aloud to do this as once its plugged in they dont need to touch it again until their journeys end when they get out.
 
how are these P platers meant to get from point A to point B if they don't know ans have never been there before. I'm 79 and I use my google maps alot now that my wife who was my navigater is no longer with us. My google map directions are told to me through the radoi in my car with with my phone plugged into the USB.Surely a P plater would be aloud to do this as once its plugged in they dont need to touch it again until their journeys end when they get out.
Makes sense. Although I did manage to find my way around in my teenage years
without GPS .
 
Hi, I rely on my phone for directions whenever I need to go somewhere new and even somewhere old that I've forgotten the way to. What is the difference in phone GPS or a Bought GPS machine which is never up to date anyway. If not allowed to use, what?? Do we go back to map books
 
I think it is
Makes sense. Although I did manage to find my way around in my teenage years
without GPS .
But we had our Gregory's maps - which was Ok if you had a passenger to give you directions but otherwise, I would have to keep pulling over to see the next directions. I don't have a mobile phone, so we use the GPS in the car. So, they can have the radio & GPS of the car on! What is the difference? Next, they will be saying they can't talk to passengers and if on a long trip wonder why they may have an accident. Even when we are on a long trip & stop every 2 1/2 hrs we still have the radio on and/or we talk.
 
I acknowledge that delivery drivers and the like would need GPS but if it's the law, they'd be better off buying a GPS unit.

As for 18-25 year old P platers, they need 100% focus on what they and other drivers care doing.

They are not experienced enough to cope with any distraction so a total mobile phone ban makes sense because of the dependence many of them have built up over the previous 10 or more years.
We forget when we got our License there were NO P Plates so no restrictions. I think too often laws and/or rules are made in the pretense that it is good for us or others. Let us not forget 2020 -2022
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cyberchook
Sounds a bit unfair to me. I have WAZE on my phone. I set it before leaving and place on the seat beside me so I can listen to directions. Can also playback through Bluetooth connection. This is no different than listening to a car radio or having someone talking beside you.
 
Last edited:
While I understand the reasons why such rules may have been implemented, banning gps navigation is a bit rich imo. Are they allowed to use a street directory which imo is far more distracting?
 
I think it is

But we had our Gregory's maps - which was Ok if you had a passenger to give you directions but otherwise, I would have to keep pulling over to see the next directions. I don't have a mobile phone, so we use the GPS in the car. So, they can have the radio & GPS of the car on! What is the difference? Next, they will be saying they can't talk to passengers and if on a long trip wonder why they may have an accident. Even when we are on a long trip & stop every 2 1/2 hrs we still have the radio on and/or we talk.
It's not the fact of listening to music or the GPS.
It is against the law to have your mobile phone, even on the other front seat, especially if you are a P plater, due to the temptation to answer it if it rings.
Radio or a fitted GPS would not be a problem.
My girlfriend is 65,she was picked up for speeding and was told by the officer he could have also fined her for having her phone beside her.
I wasn't aware of this but I always have my phone in my bag, on the back seat, so it doesn't bother me.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: Cyberchook
Why is this a problem? P players are amongst the worst drivers. It's a very good rule to stop them even touching their phone while driving. They couldn't be trusted to not use them while driving.
Let them pull into a side road, and park, if they're so desperate to use their phone.

Nearly all cars these days have built in music/GPS systems. Just programme the GPS before they start their journey. Or buy a separate GPS system to stick on the windscreen. They're not expensive.

At least it's one good road rule NSW has. 👍
 
While I understand the reasons why such rules may have been implemented, banning gps navigation is a bit rich imo. Are they allowed to use a street directory which imo is far more distracting?
It's not the GPS, a fitted GPS would be fine, also a radio.
It's the mobile that's the problem, too much temptation to answer it if it rings.
Why don't people get this.
You are not supposed to have your mobile in the front of the car.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cyberchook
Why is this a problem? P players are amongst the worst drivers. It's a very good rule to stop them even touching their phone while driving. They couldn't be trusted to not use them while driving.
Let them pull into a side road, and park, if they're so desperate to use their phone.

Nearly all cars these days have built in music/GPS systems. Just programme the GPS before they start their journey. Or buy a separate GPS system to stick on the windscreen. They're not expensive.

At least it's one good road rule NSW has. 👍
At last, someone with their thinking cap on.👍
 
I ditched using Google maps on my phone because I found it distracting, and indeed, frustrating.
If the phone reception was bad, then the map did not work as one would expect. So, I invested a small amount of money and purchased a portable GPS....much better, more reliable, works off the satellites, and, once you press go, no need to touch the unit again until reaching the destination.
As far as use of the phone goes, I am fortunate to have the Bluetooth application in my car and operate everything from my steering wheel. I shove my bag, with the phone in it, behind my seat. Unless I stop and get out of the car to get to the rear of the seat, I cannot use the phone.
If I wanted to play music off my phone, which I don't, the bluetooth looks after that too. I would not have to even touch my phone. I am not tech savvy, but do know enough to understand the workings of hands free use in the car. I cannot believe younger drivers are oblivious to the use of this technology, so, if they refuse to utilise it, then perhaps they need to be taken to task.
The only reason I have the phone connection in the car is because I have to be available 24/7 as hubby's carer. His panic button is geared to call me first. Even though I rarely venture out without him, it is an absolute necessity to operate in this way because of our situation. So, I make use of the technology so that it serves my purpose, not the other way around.
We are not slaves to technology in our home, however, are realistic in our expectations of what technology can do for us, in and out of the home.
 

Join the conversation

News, deals, games, and bargains for Aussies over 60. From everyday expenses like groceries and eating out, to electronics, fashion and travel, the club is all about helping you make your money go further.

Seniors Discount Club

The SDC searches for the best deals, discounts, and bargains for Aussies over 60. From everyday expenses like groceries and eating out, to electronics, fashion and travel, the club is all about helping you make your money go further.
  1. New members
  2. Jokes & fun
  3. Photography
  4. Nostalgia / Yesterday's Australia
  5. Food and Lifestyle
  6. Money Saving Hacks
  7. Offtopic / Everything else

Latest Articles

  • We believe that retirement should be a time to relax and enjoy life, not worry about money. That's why we're here to help our members make the most of their retirement years. If you're over 60 and looking for ways to save money, connect with others, and have a laugh, we’d love to have you aboard.
  • Advertise with us

User Menu

Enjoyed Reading our Story?

  • Share this forum to your loved ones.
Change Weather Postcode×
Change Petrol Postcode×