Are mobile phone detection cameras unfairly targeting drivers? Here’s what you need to know

Mobile phone detection cameras have sparked a wave of controversy, with many drivers feeling blindsided by fines that seem to come without clear justification.

What was once a simple road rule has now become a source of confusion, leaving motorists across NSW and SA questioning the fairness of these automated systems.

This growing frustration has led to calls for greater scrutiny and a re-evaluation of how fines are issued, as drivers find themselves caught in a complex web of technology and legal ambiguity.


In Australia, certain road rules have been enforced for years, like having a phone on your lap while driving or wearing a seatbelt underneath your shoulder.


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Road rules under scrutiny as fines increase nationwide. Image source: Pexel/Tobi


Recently, mobile phone and seatbelt detection cameras using AI technology have exposed a critical misunderstanding of these rules among Australian motorists.

A South Australian lawyer and an employee from a rental car company in New South Wales, both involved with handling fines, have reported an increase in incidents where drivers are caught off guard by these regulations.

The confusion isn't limited to the drivers. Many fines include photos where no clear breach of the law is visible, leaving innocent drivers to deal with costly court disputes or the risk of losing their licences, which could even cost them their jobs.

Motorists are now calling for police to ensure violations are accurate before issuing fines, or for clearer ways to dispute incorrect charges.


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One such case involved Ben Digance, a man from Morphett Vale, South Australia, who was fined for allegedly using his phone while driving on December 9.

The image attached to his fine showed his fingers resting together in a way that could resemble holding a phone, but there was no phone in sight.

‘One hand is on the wheel, the other’s on the leg. There’s no visible phone at all ... either on me, or in-hand,’ Digance said.

He explained that he habitually kept his phone in the centre console to avoid breaking the law and was confident that he wasn’t using it.

However, when he tried to dispute the fine, the response was frustrating.

‘When I asked to have the photo reviewed, they’ve still come back with, no, I was using a phone,’ he shared.


Digance added that the dispute process was a challenge, with customer service representatives refusing to engage over the phone and only dealing with emails.

After spending about $1000 on a new stereo system with speech-to-text and hands-free calling, Digance hoped to avoid breaking the law, especially with mobile phone detection cameras becoming more widespread in his state.

Despite this investment, he found the penalty process just as time-consuming and frustrating.

‘It’s a lot of money, and I could understand if it was feasible, but when there is no phone visible, how can you fine someone?’ he asked.

‘There needs to be more scrutiny, and checking to be more certain ... (police need) to be more thorough on the checking of the photos and the fines.’


Road Rules Misunderstood

Karen Stanley, a barrister at SA law firm Stanley Hill Elkins, noted that she had recently received up to 30 calls from people dealing with similar issues.

‘Most of the people that call me are the people with multiple fines, who are about to lose their licence,’ she said.

She explained that while the penalty for using a mobile phone while driving is a fine and demerit points, accumulating too many points can result in a licence disqualification.

Stanley observed that many of her clients had been fined for having their phone visible on their lap, a violation that many were unaware of.


‘That is actually an offence, and it is under the definitions in the rules ... It’s actually been a part of the law for the last 10 years, but is only now becoming enforced because there are photos being taken of people in their cars,’ she explained.

‘This is a real problem in how well the public understands that use of a mobile phone includes having it rest on your lap.’

Stanley also shared that some fines clearly indicated the driver was on their phone, while in other cases, clients were adamant that they were not.

She gave an example of a man wearing a hi-vis shirt who had been wrongly fined for not wearing his seatbelt over his shoulder, pointing out that this was a case worth disputing.

‘Some (fines) I’ll look at, and that person is very clearly on their phone. That person, I recommend to just pay the fine, because if they pay the fine they are going to avoid a conviction,’ she said.


More and More of These

In New South Wales, where mobile phone detection cameras have been in place for longer than in South Australia, an employee of a rental car company noticed a rise in fines issued to customers.

The employee shared on social media about a customer who received a $410 fine and six demerit points for not wearing a seatbelt properly while driving on the M4 at Greystanes on 22 December.

‘I’ve been seeing more and more of these pop up the last few months,’ the employee shared.

‘This poor fellow got whacked with double demerits,’ he added.

Key Takeaways

  • Mobile phone detection cameras in NSW and SA have caused confusion and frustration among drivers, with many feeling they were unfairly fined.
  • A rise in disputes has led to calls for better photo verification and clearer processes for challenging fines.
  • Experts have noted a widespread misunderstanding of mobile phone laws, particularly regarding phones being placed on laps.
  • Drivers are questioning the fairness of the fines, with some seeking legal advice and potentially facing costly disputes.

Do you think the technology is working, or is it time for a change? Share your comments below!
 
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If a person in control of a motor vehicle whilst scratching one's genitals is found to not having BOTH hands on the steering wheel shall be liable to committing an offence.

Penalty points: 20 points.

Refer to Section 667 - Blowing One's Nose Whilst In Control Of A Motor Vehicle.

The world has gone mad with excessive laws with regards to minor offences. But try to get the oinks to attend to a violent situation where lives are at risk.

Only 26 hours to attend to an ice fueled maniac, destroying property willy-nilly and physically threatening people, including myself.

Useless pricks who only respond to the easiest of crimes! When faced with a genuine threat, they go missing in action.
 
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Do not have a phone visible, most modern cars have hands free connection, use it. We know it has nothing to do with safety tho, but revenue raising, or people would be notified they have been sprung, not just allowed to accumulate multiple offences and then notified by snail mail. Habitual offenders could kill someone and then get an infringement notice weeks after the event.
 
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Do not have a phone visible, most modern cars have hands free connection, use it. We know it has nothing to do with safety tho, but revenue raising, or people would be notified they have been sprung, not just allowed to accumulate multiple offences and then notified by snail mail. Habitual offenders could kill someone and then get an infringement notice weeks after the event.
It didn't actually say the offences had accumulated, they could and probably were sent separately, unless they occurred several times on the same day.
The majority of people who profess they are innocent usually aren't As far as revenue raising goes, nobody forces you to contribute, the onus on you if you wish to be what you like to call it a "revenue raiser".
To most of us it's a fine for stupidity.
 
There is a problem wearing a seat belt. This could be why some people wear them under their arm. They come right across your neck if you are not 6ft tall. It could cut you head off in an accident. They should change the anchorage point.
 
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It has nothing to do with safety. It's all about revenue raising. Governments have become addicted to the huge income they get by fining everyone for anything they can get you on.
The police these days are nothing more than defacto revenue raisers for the government who spend OUR dollars like drunken sailors.
It's always been about revenue raising. Especially in Victoria. 😣🙁🤮
 
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There is a problem wearing a seat belt. This could be why some people wear them under their arm. They come right across your neck if you are not 6ft tall. It could cut you head off in an accident. They should change the anchorage point.
In the late 1970s, I worked with a young girl who was driving when she was involved in a serious car incident. She was wearing a seat belt, an old style non retractable type.

The seat belt was curled into a rope like item, resulting in her being almost cut in two. Only her spine saved her from becoming two parts of the one body. She lost a kidney along with severe damage to her spleen, intestines and pancreas. After eight months in hospital, she barely survived.
 
There is no need to have your phone in your lap. To say people didn't know this is not an excuse, you have a licence you are supposed to know the rules.
Put your phone in the console, glovebox, back-seat. A phone call is not worth yours or somebody else's life.
My husband's niece has had four accidents while using or scrambling for her phone while driving.
The third time her car was a write-off, she ended up in hospital. Her father bought her another car (needs his head examined) and two weeks after getting it she ran into the back of another car.
Some people should be banned from having a mobile phone.
And banned from driving forever.
It's plain obvious, she is a dill. with no commonsense for the road rules.
It has nothing to do with safety. It's all about revenue raising. Governments have become addicted to the huge income they get by fining everyone for anything they can get you on.
The police these days are nothing more than defacto revenue raisers for the government who spend OUR dollars like drunken sailors.
Your 1st 2 sentences are very wron g to say he least.
 
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It has nothing to do with safety. It's all about revenue raising. Governments have become addicted to the huge income they get by fining everyone for anything they can get you on.
The police these days are nothing more than defacto revenue raisers for the government who spend OUR dollars like drunken sailors.
In 2018 I was waiting to turn right at a single lane intersection when I was slammed into by another person doing around 50k. My Mazda 626 crumpled and broke the frame at the rear door. I made the mistake of not asking for police attendance when it was required.
There is every likelihood that the driver was distracted by the phone as it ended up on the floor and there was no sign of any braking on the roadway.
Of course it is ALL about safety. Phones are a major distraction and the Law in SA is very clear, they must not be used for any form of communication and must be held in a holder, especially made for that purpose.
 
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Perhaps it is you that needs to re-think your comments.

Police, ambulance and fire trucks most often (& I say ..’most often’) have another responsible officer in the front passenger seat. They are often the ones that turn on the siren - and that siren is there to get them to you and me in an emergency. There are also exemptions for these officers that you and I are not aware of because it is not for us to know those rules. It is for them to obey and/or use when needed. I guess you will also be another one of those ‘revenue raiser’ complainants. I hope I have not mis-understood your comments.
For a start, you could try English. Secondly you failed to answer my question yet you present yourself as the fount of all knowledge on the matter in hand. You failed to answer my question about pilots. You need to fact check yourself, in English, before commenting on matters you so obviously know nothing about. You are an empty point scorer. And that fly must be really annoying you now - but keep both hands on the wheel while you scream for Alexa or Siri to open the goddamned window!!!
 
No law about both hands on the wheel, another myth.
A good example of driving with only one hand on the wheel is a person driving a Manual car. They need to take one hand off the steering wheel to change gears.

Another example is that of the drivers who think it safe to drive with their right arm completely outside the vehicle, dangling & pointing to the road or those who drive with their arm on the window sill.
 
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It has nothing to do with safety. It's all about revenue raising. Governments have become addicted to the huge income they get by fining everyone for anything they can get you on.
The police these days are nothing more than defacto revenue raisers for the government who spend OUR dollars like drunken sailors.
Is that an opinion? or do you have proof of your allegations? :unsure: :cool:
 
Much of this is just plain straight up revenue. Ever since Albosleazy government took over there have been rules to catch drivers regardless. Just look at how many radars are at the bottom of hills for example. Abuse of power, plain and simple.
The Federal Government has nothing to do with State/Territory laws that deal with Traffic Law/Legislation. Do yourself a favour get the information correct before making such statements. As you state "plain and simple" :unsure: :cool:
 
I like to pick my nose a lot. Pick, roll and flick.

What do police drivers do? Are their sirens voice activated? Are vehicle vents, windows, audio volume controls, windscreen wipers, etc., etc., volume controlled?

What do pilots do?

You might want to rethink your strategy next time you wish to eject a fly.
What a silly comment.
I don't think anyone cares one way or the other if you choose to pick your nose.
Secondly it is an offence in all States to drive with only one hand on the wheel except in the case of changing gears, turn on windscreen wipers etc. Which I would think anybody with half a brain is aware of.
Apart from these things you are supposed to have both hands on the wheel otherwise you can be fined for driving with undue care.
You might want to rethink your strategy next time you're amusing yourself picking your nose.
 
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The Federal Government has nothing to do with State/Territory laws that deal with Traffic Law/Legislation. Do yourself a favour get the information correct before making such statements. As you state "plain and simple" :unsure: :cool:
Our revenue raiser complainers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. as you can see by their comments.
They are usually the ones coping the fines hence the complaints .
 
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There is a problem wearing a seat belt. This could be why some people wear them under their arm. They come right across your neck if you are not 6ft tall. It could cut you head off in an accident. They should change the anchorage point.
Most cars have adjustable seatbelts/and seats, so the belt is not across your neck. There are other options, such sitting on a cushion. etc. If you are short in stature? seek professional advice. Do you have the statistics of accidents where people have heads cut off ? :unsure: :cool:
 
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All my long years of having a license I have driven one handed as the other hand is on the gear stick ready to change gears. The only time I use 2 hands is when I'm turning a corner (gears have already been changed). Been driving since the mid 70's.
 
All my long years of having a license I have driven one handed as the other hand is on the gear stick ready to change gears. The only time I use 2 hands is when I'm turning a corner (gears have already been changed). Been driving since the mid 70's.
No joke. Why would you do that? So you drive hundreds of kms with your hand on the gear stick or do you only do short trips?
Strange.
 

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