‘This isn’t respect’: Veterans question club’s Armistice Day gesture

A local bowling club’s controversial decision to ban commemorative shirts has sparked outrage among veterans and community members just days before Victory in the Pacific Day.

The shirts, worn proudly by players to honour fallen soldiers, have been abruptly prohibited without public explanation. While the club points to copyright concerns, the RSL denies any involvement, leaving bowlers questioning who made the call, and why.



The shirt in question isn’t just any bit of club kit. Designed in orange, white, and blue, and featuring military iconography, it was created as a heartfelt tribute to the diggers—our servicemen and women who have given so much for Australia.

Over 100 of these shirts were made and proudly worn by club members during Anzac Day commemorations, and many have continued to wear them since as a mark of respect.

But now, in a move that’s left many feeling blindsided, the club’s management has told players they’ll be refused entry if they turn up in the shirt.

Not only that, but the club won’t even accept their green fees—the small payment that allows social bowlers to play—effectively locking them out of the game and the community they love.


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Wagga RSL Bowling Club in NSW has banned players from wearing shirts featuring the phrase ‘lest we forget’, claiming trademark rights over the phrase. Image source: 7NEWS Australia / Youtube.



The club’s management claims the ban is due to trademark issues, stating that RSL Australia owns the rights to the phrase ‘lest we forget’ and can therefore restrict its use. This has left many members, including long-time bowler David Ashford, feeling both confused and angry.

‘We wore the shirt last Anzac Day and nobody said anything. Last week we were told we couldn’t wear them anymore or we might have to leave,’ Mr Ashford told 2GB’s Ben Fordham. ‘I think it’s just a cop out… a way of preventing us from bowling.’

But here’s where things get even stranger: RSL Australia has flatly denied ever requesting such a ban.

In a statement, a spokesperson said, ‘This is the first time RSL Australia has been made aware of this matter and the RSL has not placed any restrictions on its use by the Wagga Bowls Club.’



‘Lest we forget’ is more than just a slogan—it’s a solemn promise, first penned by Rudyard Kipling in his 1897 poem ‘Recessional’ and later adopted as a tribute to the ANZACs and all who have served.

For generations, it’s been a phrase that unites Australians in remembrance, especially on days like Anzac Day and Armistice Day.


Source: 7NEWS Australia / Youtube.​


The idea that such a phrase could be ‘owned’ or restricted has left many, including Mr Ashford, calling for the federal government to step in and ensure it remains in the public domain. ‘It has no right to be privatised,’ he said.

The ban has had a real impact on the club’s community spirit. Mr Ashford and his fellow bowlers aren’t just there for a roll-up—they also raise over $6,000 each year for the Wagga Wagga Base Hospital, supporting vital local services.



To be told they can’t honour veterans in their own way, after months of wearing the shirts without issue, has been described as ‘disgusting’ and ‘sick’ by those affected.

The move has also sparked wider debate about how we remember and honour our veterans, and who gets to decide what’s appropriate. Many see the ban as an unnecessary and hurtful overreach, especially given the RSL’s own denial of involvement.

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Key Takeaways

  • Wagga RSL Bowling Club in NSW has banned players from wearing shirts featuring the phrase ‘lest we forget’, claiming trademark rights over the phrase.
  • The club’s decision has caused backlash among members, with players expressing anger and disappointment, particularly as the shirts were created to honour Australian diggers for Anzac Day.
  • RSL Australia has denied authorising or requesting any such ban, stating they were not aware of the issue and had not placed restrictions on the phrase’s use.
  • Some club members are calling for federal government intervention to remove copyright protections from ‘lest we forget’, arguing it is a public tribute which should not be privatised.

What do you think about this ban? Should phrases like ‘lest we forget’ be protected, or should they belong to all Australians? Have you ever experienced something similar in your own community? Share your thoughts in the comments below!
 

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Does it matter where it was made? Its the banning of the shirt which is the issue. If the manufactuing company was an issue none of us would drive cars, have a TV, use a computer and everything else that's made overseas. Jeezzz.
IT matters a lot to me where it was made. you should care too.
 
They are trying to abolish our history, anything to do with Australia is slowly being destroyed, look at Victoria, they banned Australia Day parade, Albanese pushed aside the 🇦🇺 Australian flag, we need to stop this and not let Australia be pushed aside, we grew up in this wonderful country, so let’s keep it going🇦🇺❤️🇦🇺
As for the bowls club, it made news overseas and got berated for its banning of the shirts.. time to honour and hold dear our Australian culture 🇦🇺❤️🇦🇺❤️🇦🇺
You're right. It makes me wonder also if there's not more going on that the bowlers aren't aware of. Our Bowls Club was let to go to ruin, it turns our there was money to be made. The site was bought by the Brisbane Racing Club.
 
I wonder who the top dog at the bowling club is……do they have an agenda 🤔
 
When history is not celebrated and stories told to each succeeding generation the door is opened for lies to be taught and generations to be manipulated. When truth is allowed to be perverted and twisted to suit the agenda of an ideology we no longer have a foundation for our society. It is exactly this that the socialists and communists aim to achieve in order to build a society in their own image. They aim to tear down, create chaos and fear, then step in and usurp the rule of law and replace existing authorities.
Wow. Yu said " socialists and communists". I guess you win.
 
It seems that this issue is localised, WAGGA WAGGA Bowling Club has made a decision to ban the the shirt. Nice shirt too!! Perhaps the design was stolen from some other club or business. Who knows because once again there is not enough information regarding the use of the LEST WE FORGET slogan. As far as I know it does not belong to anybody, so keep using it and find out more information before you get jumpy over it.
The shirts were made in China for company purely interested in profits, not our veterans.
 
I did not read it all and no need to.
Yet another I dare to say it a 'woke' move.
Just change clubs and let your fingers feet do the walking.
 
That is blatant discrimination. Not Australian at all.
 
If the phrase "lest we forget" BELONGS anywhere, it belongs to ANZAC Day! The RSL claims to represent returned service people from all wars, or so I understood. So any returned service person should be able to wear that slogan with pride, whether or not they are a member of the local RSL.

But, damnit - I'm not a returned service person, I'm not a member of the RSL. I'm an Australian born and bred and proud of it. I respect and am extremely grateful to all those who have served in the armed forces.
So I believe I have the right to use that slogan - lest we forget the gratitude we owe to all in the armed services!
Bugger the RSL, they still have as far as I am concerned dirt on them. Let me take us back to a time when the RSL would not let Vietnam Vets march on ANZAC day because it was a Political hot potato that they were to scared to handle because stupid University activists spat on them in the street (some things never changed huh, now they spit on us car drivers when protesting) and they are supposed to represent returned service people from ALL wars. Just because they finally said yes may forgive them but should not be forgotten to keep them in line.
And just when did the RSL copyright 'Lest We Forget' words, it BELONGS to every one and everywhere.
 
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To understand the difference between RSL clubs and RSL sub-branches, it's important to understand the structure of the Returned & Services League of Australia (RSL) the largest veteran charity in Australia, and how membership of the League varies from state to state.

The RSL operates under a federated governance model. RSL Australia, as the National body, coordinates and promotes the national interests of the organisation. Each State Branch operates independently and, through its Districts and Sub-Branches, services the grassroots members of the League in local communities.

Sub‑Branches are volunteer-driven not-for-profit groups providing local veteran support, services and commemoration. Clubs are commercial hospitality venues; in some states, they operate alongside a sub-branch, in others, they operate completely independently from the Returned & Services League altogether. It's a common misconception that all RSL clubs are owned and operated by the RSL. Initially, almost all RSL clubs were formed as or from sub-branches as part of the League, but over time, some clubs and sub-branches in some States have become separate entities.

As a not-for-profit organisation, the RSL is fundamentally a welfare organisation established for the principal purpose of promoting the interests and welfare of serving and ex-serving men and women of the ADF and their families.

Many people outside of the veteran community will not have heard of sub-branches. They may think that their local RSL club is connected to the League and that by becoming a member or supporting the activities of an RSL club, they are directly supporting veterans, when this is not always the case.

'Lest We Forget' is said by all members present at the end of our monthly meetings when usually the RSL sub-Branch President or one of our members closes the meeting with The Ode. Many of us also use 'Lest We Forget' as the final line in an email, Facebook etc farewell for a fellow Veteran who has passed away or when we are remembering those that we lost during the wars or due to the wars.

Yesterday, Monday 18th of August was Vietnam Veterans Day where many of our Vietnam veterans and their family members came together to remember those that didn't return and the service that all those who served during those years gave and returned home, some with physical injuries, others with mental injuries and those with both. 'Lest We Forget'
 
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I'd suggest that all members wear the shirt and give the management the two fingered Aussie Salute. ( They need shagging with the rough end of a pineapple)
 
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There is no copyright on the phrase "Lest We Forget", by the RSL or The Poetry Foundation, of which Kipling is a prominent subject.

The Wagga RSL Bowling Club should have its liquor and gaming licences revoked.
Their management sound like a bunch of closet turd burglars.
 
If the phrase "lest we forget" BELONGS anywhere, it belongs to ANZAC Day! The RSL claims to represent returned service people from all wars, or so I understood. So any returned service person should be able to wear that slogan with pride, whether or not they are a member of the local RSL.

But, damnit - I'm not a returned service person, I'm not a member of the RSL. I'm an Australian born and bred and proud of it. I respect and am extremely grateful to all those who have served in the armed forces.
So I believe I have the right to use that slogan - lest we forget the gratitude we owe to all in the armed services!
Yes, you have every right to use that slogan.
Thank you for your gratitude.
 
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WAGGA WAGGA RSL & BOWLING CLUB!!!!!!!!!!
Are you mongrel scumbags serious???
How dare you!!! Wagga is the home of the soldier. Australian Army's 1st Recruit Training Battalion, Blamey Barracks Kapooa, NSW. Named after Australia's only Field Marshall. What an absolute stinking insult. They should be ashamed of themselves.

I am now goig to send them something they won't want to read.
And yes, they treated us recruits like scum.
I remember that mongrel club and their bad treatment of us.
I wonder if they ever thought or cared that some of those boys died.
 
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I am not deliberately inciting angst here, but do any of you remember Rudyard Kipling? A wonderful author of many well known works including a hymn/poem called "The Recessional"? He was of British Indian background, and wrote this piece in the late 1800's. The phrase "Lest We Forget" had absolutely NOTHING to do with Australia, or any wars yet to be waged! Please educate yourselves before squabbling over something that this country and it's population has not, and will never own! Rant over :sneaky:
It certainly does have something to do with Australia and the wars our brave boys fought in.
It was adopted by us to honour those who died.
 
SO it's about MONEY.....anything for a dollar...lest we forget is a statement, so is 'it's a nice day today' ok to register ? and stop people from saying it what about" g'day mate' can I register that and make a dollar...that RSL needs to get a new boss, preferably an older ex serviceman that RSL means something to ...where do pokies relate to returned soldiers.....oh thats right ,its all about money (lest we forget) oops we forgot!!!
The money generated by RSL's is used to support veterans or their surviving wives if needed.
 
A majority of these shirts are Actually made by DEFENCE Sporting Apparel not some cheap s..t from the corner shop. I own 3 of these DSA shirts that I proudly wear to bowls on Anzac Day, Remembrance Day and every other Military Remembrance day. I own the Kokoda Track 1942 with the Battle of Kokoda 1942 on the back, The second one is World war 2 1945 Australian Troops in New Guinea, and the 3rd DSA shirt is the Vietnam War. This has actual photos printed on the front and back of our ACTUAL soldiers. Each shirt has the Australian flag on the sleeve along with each shirt having its own RSL quote. You can actually buy from this DEFENSE store any of OUR armed service Apparel. These are made for AUSTRALIANS to wear at what ever sporting venue with PRIDE and REMEMRANCE of the loved ones that most of us have lost and nobody has any right to take that from our service men and women. Not Ever. Our history belongs to us all.
Good on you Ched.
 
This is just a disgrace and the fact that the Seniors Club think it worthy of a debate/ discussion is also a disgrace.
I rest my case !
What would you rather debate about? Wheelchairs?
 
Bugger the RSL, they still have as far as I am concerned dirt on them. Let me take us back to a time when the RSL would not let Vietnam Vets march on ANZAC day because it was a Political hot potato that they were to scared to handle because stupid University activists spat on them in the street (some things never changed huh, now they spit on us car drivers when protesting) and they are supposed to represent returned service people from ALL wars. Just because they finally said yes may forgive them but should not be forgotten to keep them in line.
And just when did the RSL copyright 'Lest We Forget' words, it BELONGS to every one and everywhere.
Yes the RSL were like that.
They refused my entry into one of their clubs in Granville, Sydney, when I got back.
But years later when most of the WW2 guys were replaced by Vietnam veterans, things changed, and that's when I got involved as an advocate and welfare officer to help veterans from ALL WARS.
I never really understood the attitude of the WW2 veterans, they hit us with "You lot didn't go to a real war like we did", "Why have you only two medals when we have many many more?" Garbage like that.
The RSL now has changed, thanks to the newer Vietnam War veterans. We do a lot for sick veterans and their widows.
 
To understand the difference between RSL clubs and RSL sub-branches, it's important to understand the structure of the Returned & Services League of Australia (RSL) the largest veteran charity in Australia, and how membership of the League varies from state to state.

The RSL operates under a federated governance model. RSL Australia, as the National body, coordinates and promotes the national interests of the organisation. Each State Branch operates independently and, through its Districts and Sub-Branches, services the grassroots members of the League in local communities.

Sub‑Branches are volunteer-driven not-for-profit groups providing local veteran support, services and commemoration. Clubs are commercial hospitality venues; in some states, they operate alongside a sub-branch, in others, they operate completely independently from the Returned & Services League altogether. It's a common misconception that all RSL clubs are owned and operated by the RSL. Initially, almost all RSL clubs were formed as or from sub-branches as part of the League, but over time, some clubs and sub-branches in some States have become separate entities.

As a not-for-profit organisation, the RSL is fundamentally a welfare organisation established for the principal purpose of promoting the interests and welfare of serving and ex-serving men and women of the ADF and their families.

Many people outside of the veteran community will not have heard of sub-branches. They may think that their local RSL club is connected to the League and that by becoming a member or supporting the activities of an RSL club, they are directly supporting veterans, when this is not always the case.

'Lest We Forget' is said by all members present at the end of our monthly meetings when usually the RSL sub-Branch President or one of our members closes the meeting with The Ode. Many of us also use 'Lest We Forget' as the final line in an email, Facebook etc farewell for a fellow Veteran who has passed away or when we are remembering those that we lost during the wars or due to the wars.

Yesterday, Monday 18th of August was Vietnam Veterans Day where many of our Vietnam veterans and their family members came together to remember those that didn't return and the service that all those who served during those years gave and returned home, some with physical injuries, others with mental injuries and those with both. 'Lest We Forget'
Well said Bellajugar.
 

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