‘This isn’t respect’: Veterans question club’s Armistice Day gesture

A local bowling club’s controversial decision to ban commemorative shirts has sparked outrage among veterans and community members just days before Victory in the Pacific Day.

The shirts, worn proudly by players to honour fallen soldiers, have been abruptly prohibited without public explanation. While the club points to copyright concerns, the RSL denies any involvement, leaving bowlers questioning who made the call, and why.



The shirt in question isn’t just any bit of club kit. Designed in orange, white, and blue, and featuring military iconography, it was created as a heartfelt tribute to the diggers—our servicemen and women who have given so much for Australia.

Over 100 of these shirts were made and proudly worn by club members during Anzac Day commemorations, and many have continued to wear them since as a mark of respect.

But now, in a move that’s left many feeling blindsided, the club’s management has told players they’ll be refused entry if they turn up in the shirt.

Not only that, but the club won’t even accept their green fees—the small payment that allows social bowlers to play—effectively locking them out of the game and the community they love.


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Wagga RSL Bowling Club in NSW has banned players from wearing shirts featuring the phrase ‘lest we forget’, claiming trademark rights over the phrase. Image source: 7NEWS Australia / Youtube.



The club’s management claims the ban is due to trademark issues, stating that RSL Australia owns the rights to the phrase ‘lest we forget’ and can therefore restrict its use. This has left many members, including long-time bowler David Ashford, feeling both confused and angry.

‘We wore the shirt last Anzac Day and nobody said anything. Last week we were told we couldn’t wear them anymore or we might have to leave,’ Mr Ashford told 2GB’s Ben Fordham. ‘I think it’s just a cop out… a way of preventing us from bowling.’

But here’s where things get even stranger: RSL Australia has flatly denied ever requesting such a ban.

In a statement, a spokesperson said, ‘This is the first time RSL Australia has been made aware of this matter and the RSL has not placed any restrictions on its use by the Wagga Bowls Club.’



‘Lest we forget’ is more than just a slogan—it’s a solemn promise, first penned by Rudyard Kipling in his 1897 poem ‘Recessional’ and later adopted as a tribute to the ANZACs and all who have served.

For generations, it’s been a phrase that unites Australians in remembrance, especially on days like Anzac Day and Armistice Day.


Source: 7NEWS Australia / Youtube.​


The idea that such a phrase could be ‘owned’ or restricted has left many, including Mr Ashford, calling for the federal government to step in and ensure it remains in the public domain. ‘It has no right to be privatised,’ he said.

The ban has had a real impact on the club’s community spirit. Mr Ashford and his fellow bowlers aren’t just there for a roll-up—they also raise over $6,000 each year for the Wagga Wagga Base Hospital, supporting vital local services.



To be told they can’t honour veterans in their own way, after months of wearing the shirts without issue, has been described as ‘disgusting’ and ‘sick’ by those affected.

The move has also sparked wider debate about how we remember and honour our veterans, and who gets to decide what’s appropriate. Many see the ban as an unnecessary and hurtful overreach, especially given the RSL’s own denial of involvement.

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Key Takeaways

  • Wagga RSL Bowling Club in NSW has banned players from wearing shirts featuring the phrase ‘lest we forget’, claiming trademark rights over the phrase.
  • The club’s decision has caused backlash among members, with players expressing anger and disappointment, particularly as the shirts were created to honour Australian diggers for Anzac Day.
  • RSL Australia has denied authorising or requesting any such ban, stating they were not aware of the issue and had not placed restrictions on the phrase’s use.
  • Some club members are calling for federal government intervention to remove copyright protections from ‘lest we forget’, arguing it is a public tribute which should not be privatised.

What do you think about this ban? Should phrases like ‘lest we forget’ be protected, or should they belong to all Australians? Have you ever experienced something similar in your own community? Share your thoughts in the comments below!
 

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I am not deliberately inciting angst here, but do any of you remember Rudyard Kipling? A wonderful author of many well known works including a hymn/poem called "The Recessional"? He was of British Indian background, and wrote this piece in the late 1800's. The phrase "Lest We Forget" had absolutely NOTHING to do with Australia, or any wars yet to be waged! Please educate yourselves before squabbling over something that this country and it's population has not, and will never own! Rant over :sneaky:
 
just keep wearing them en masse and see who wins.
 
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Whom so ever came up with this absolute Bullshit lie needs to kicked out of the club.
 
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Stop saying "They are trying to abolish our history". None of the things you listed change history. Claiming that doesn't help your argument. It's a stupid expression you have been led to use by right wing shock jocks and Murdoch media outlets.

Think before you type!
When history is not celebrated and stories told to each succeeding generation the door is opened for lies to be taught and generations to be manipulated. When truth is allowed to be perverted and twisted to suit the agenda of an ideology we no longer have a foundation for our society. It is exactly this that the socialists and communists aim to achieve in order to build a society in their own image. They aim to tear down, create chaos and fear, then step in and usurp the rule of law and replace existing authorities.
 
It seems that this issue is localised, WAGGA WAGGA Bowling Club has made a decision to ban the the shirt. Nice shirt too!! Perhaps the design was stolen from some other club or business. Who knows because once again there is not enough information regarding the use of the LEST WE FORGET slogan. As far as I know it does not belong to anybody, so keep using it and find out more information before you get jumpy over it.
 
This is just a disgrace and the fact that the Seniors Club think it worthy of a debate/ discussion is also a disgrace.
I rest my case !
 
This is just a disgrace and the fact that the Seniors Club think it worthy of a debate/ discussion is also a disgrace.
I rest my case !
Yes, it seems to have raised some very angry responses and yet the detail in the article is limited.
 
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The club will lose a lot of revenue if that happens. Members and other people will spend their money elsewhere
 
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Just boycott the Club, they'll soon learn once they realise
 
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Absolutely ridiculous. If the RSL itself doesn't care, then why is Wagga RSL banning them? Keep wearing the shirts guys.

Lest we forget
 
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There is no copyright on the phrase "Lest We Forget", by the RSL or The Poetry Foundation, of which Kipling is a prominent subject.

The Wagga RSL Bowling Club should have its liquor and gaming licences revoked.
 
Was the shirt really "created as a heartfelt tribute to the diggers", or is it one of those doing the rounds on the Internet, a commercial grab from a non-Australian company, that also flogs AFL and NRL supporters' shirts? Probably made in China. I see their ads every day in my Facebook feed.
A majority of these shirts are Actually made by DEFENCE Sporting Apparel not some cheap s..t from the corner shop. I own 3 of these DSA shirts that I proudly wear to bowls on Anzac Day, Remembrance Day and every other Military Remembrance day. I own the Kokoda Track 1942 with the Battle of Kokoda 1942 on the back, The second one is World war 2 1945 Australian Troops in New Guinea, and the 3rd DSA shirt is the Vietnam War. This has actual photos printed on the front and back of our ACTUAL soldiers. Each shirt has the Australian flag on the sleeve along with each shirt having its own RSL quote. You can actually buy from this DEFENSE store any of OUR armed service Apparel. These are made for AUSTRALIANS to wear at what ever sporting venue with PRIDE and REMEMRANCE of the loved ones that most of us have lost and nobody has any right to take that from our service men and women. Not Ever. Our history belongs to us all.
 
A majority of these shirts are Actually made by DEFENCE Sporting Apparel not some cheap s..t from the corner shop. I own 3 of these DSA shirts that I proudly wear to bowls on Anzac Day, Remembrance Day and every other Military Remembrance day. I own the Kokoda Track 1942 with the Battle of Kokoda 1942 on the back, The second one is World war 2 1945 Australian Troops in New Guinea, and the 3rd DSA shirt is the Vietnam War. This has actual photos printed on the front and back of our ACTUAL soldiers. Each shirt has the Australian flag on the sleeve along with each shirt having its own RSL quote. You can actually buy from this DEFENSE store any of OUR armed service Apparel. These are made for AUSTRALIANS to wear at what ever sporting venue with PRIDE and REMEMRANCE of the loved ones that most of us have lost and nobody has any right to take that from our service men and women. Not Ever. Our history belongs to us all.
From my research, Defence Sporting Apparel clothing is made in CHINA!

In another corner of the world....

I suggest you check the label, you might be shocked.
 
If the phrase "lest we forget" BELONGS anywhere, it belongs to ANZAC Day! The RSL claims to represent returned service people from all wars, or so I understood. So any returned service person should be able to wear that slogan with pride, whether or not they are a member of the local RSL.

But, damnit - I'm not a returned service person, I'm not a member of the RSL. I'm an Australian born and bred and proud of it. I respect and am extremely grateful to all those who have served in the armed forces.
So I believe I have the right to use that slogan - lest we forget the gratitude we owe to all in the armed services!
Hear Hear !!
Same here , Mate ... You just describe me TOO ... I am right with you on this issue.
 
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That's the phrase that defines ANZAC day and i don't think they have any right to disallow it
 
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Completely ridiculous. If I belonged to the club I would 1) Demand to know who made the decision. 2) Question the motive. 3) Seek legal advice 4) hold a meeting with fellow bowlers and stage a mass resignation from the club. Stand up and be counted !!
 
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Was the shirt really "created as a heartfelt tribute to the diggers", or is it one of those doing the rounds on the Internet, a commercial grab from a non-Australian company, that also flogs AFL and NRL supporters' shirts? Probably made in China. I see their ads every day in my Facebook feed.
Does it matter where it was made? Its the banning of the shirt which is the issue. If the manufactuing company was an issue none of us would drive cars, have a TV, use a computer and everything else that's made overseas. Jeezzz.
 
Maybe I’m just a wee bit cynical but I’m thinking the club may soon come out with a new shirt that will be acceptable to them and can only be purchased through the club for a ridiculous price.
In small towns there’s not always another suitable club available to change to and it’s really hard for some of the older patrons to give up the familiarity and friendship built up over years at their “local”. But I’d seriously consider a petition and a boycott for a period to make your point to the club of how important the happiness of the regular members and players is.
Any probably have all aboriginal stuff on it as well!!
 
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SO it's about MONEY.....anything for a dollar...lest we forget is a statement, so is 'it's a nice day today' ok to register ? and stop people from saying it what about" g'day mate' can I register that and make a dollar...that RSL needs to get a new boss, preferably an older ex serviceman that RSL means something to ...where do pokies relate to returned soldiers.....oh thats right ,its all about money (lest we forget) oops we forgot!!!
 

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