NDIS pricing changes 'incredibly cruel' says remote mobile therapy provider


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Keryn Smith says without physio she would not be able to live independently. (ABC Gippsland: Danielle Kutchel)


Allowance cuts to the National Disability Insurance Scheme could see therapists forced to cancel their programs or charge clients more, according to a regional physiotherapist.

The NDIS released its annual pricing review last week, revealing a reduction in the hourly rate for certain allied health therapies from July 1.

The travel rates charged by allied health professionals will be cut by half.


Helen Lowe is the director of Through Life Physio in Warragul, about 90 minutes south-east of Melbourne.

She said the changes had come as a "complete shock" and would directly impact rural and regional therapy providers and their clients.

"There's been next to no consultation with our professional bodies for physio, OT (occupational therapy) and speech pathology who have all been affected by that 50 per cent price cut to travel," Ms Lowe said.


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Ms Smith and Helen Lowe are worried the price rises will put physio out of reach. (ABC Gippsland: Danielle Kutchel)


An NDIS spokesperson said the changes brought the prices paid by NDIS clients into line with those paid through other schemes like Medicare or private health insurance.

But Ms Lowe said the services provided to NDIS participants cost more because they were more complex and required longer appointments compared with standard physiotherapy services provided to regular patients.

By benchmarking costs against standard therapy services, Ms Lowe said the NDIS had "simply done the maths wrong".

She said allied health professionals working on NDIS cases were already underpaid compared to others, and for her business the changes would result in a loss of $34,000 a year.


'Physio changed my life'

Keryn Smith is a Warragul resident living with an acquired brain injury.

She has been working with Ms Lowe for 13 years, and in that time she said she had been able to regain some control and function over her muscle movements and balance.

Using a walking frame she is now able to walk with slight support.

"Physio changed my life," she said.


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Ms Smith says physio has helped her gain control of her movements. (ABC Gippsland: Danielle Kutchel)


Ms Smith said she too was disappointed about the changes to physiotherapy pricing, which could mean she has to reduce the amount she undertakes each week.

"I'm p*ssed off. Physio has been important, [but] the NDIS thinks physio is unimportant," she said.

"If I didn't have physio I couldn't live here by myself."'


Businesses forced to choose

Ms Lowe's business employs eight practitioners who travel around West Gippsland and the Latrobe Valley, visiting clients at schools, kindergartens and in their homes.

She said travel was essential for the team.

"To do good disability physiotherapy you need to go where people are, not just bring them into your comfortable clinic," she said.

"Travel is not an optional thing, it's not a luxury. It's essential."

She believes many allied health businesses in rural and regional areas would simply cancel appointments if they were unable to bear the new costs.

She is now struggling to make a choice — charging a gap fee to NDIS clients that they will need to pay out of their own pocket, or face losing more than $30,000 a year.

She said she was unable to absorb the cost through her business and clients with disability on limited incomes would be unable to pay any extra.

"It's such an insult to us as practitioners that the NDIS thinks this is OK, and it is incredibly cruel on NDIS participants," Ms Lowe said.


A human rights issue

Gippsland Disability Advocacy chief executive Leanne Wishart said NDIS participants living in regional, rural and remote Gippsland already faced additional disadvantages due to their distance from services.

Already she knows of a provider who has notified its clients that it will no longer be able to provide services to them due to not being able to recoup the costs.

She said it was likely other providers would follow suit.

"Effectively this creates an even greater inequity in access to NDIS services and breaches the rights of people with disability living in regional, rural and remote areas to have equal access to services," Ms Wishart said.

"It's outlined in the Disability Discrimination Act 1992 and the United Nations Rights of Persons with Disabilities."


Benchmarking the data

In a statement, a spokesperson for the National Disability Insurance Agency said this year's pricing review had been benchmarked with fees paid through Medicare, private health insurance and other government schemes.

"In some cases, the data showed NDIS price limits significantly exceeded the market rate by up to 68 per cent," the spokesperson said.

They added that participants had told the NDIS that "excessive travel claims" ate into their plans.

"The updated therapy travel-claiming rules encourage more efficient scheduling by providers and provide clear cost expectations for participants to help them get better value from their funding," the spokesperson said.

"For participants living in remote areas, therapists can receive a 40 per cent above rate price for services and this loading is 50 per cent for therapy provided in very remote areas."

Written by Danielle Kutchel, ABC News.
 

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The whole bloody damned problem & complete mess with NDIS is, as we all well know is the "Crooks" in the system ripping the government off.

Poor old Billy Shorten couldn't do much about the problem, so he shot through & now has himself in a better 'Bull Shit" job with a university earning himself 'Upteen' thousands of dollars more per year.

The "Rorter Crooks" have to be weeded out, criminally charged with Fraud & made to pay back all of their ill gotten gains. Even if this is confiscating their housing property. No mucking about.

If this was corrected, then the services need for the 'R
 
Re my above, I'll finish off. Stupid machine decided to send itself off.

If this was corrected, then the services needed for the genuine cases could well be afforded.

At the moment, I don't know who took over Shortens portfolio, but whoever it is, more than likely won't do much or any better than Shorten to combat & bring to justice the rorters.
 
And so they are complaining about their travel claims being cut in half.
The fees and charges claimed by NDIS providers have always been astronomically high.
A friend needed a ramp installed at their home, for wheelchair access.

The provider charged $1,000 for travelling costs for what was roughly a 5 hour round trip. I receive approx $100 through PATS for the same trip when taking my daughter to hospital in Perth.

My daughter had an OT assessment about two years ago. For the same travel, about one and a half hours at my home and writing a report the cost was in excess of $4 000.

It is no wonder the NDIS is struggling financially when these leeches are rorting the system so blatantly and then crying poor mouth.

The NDIS need to accept responsibility for enabling them to charge these prices in the first place.

I recently had a retired friend do a ramp for my daughter . He did a 6 hour round trip and built the ramp for a full cost of $1350, travel, materials and labour. I couldn't claim this against my daughter's plan as I didn't use an NDIS approved provider. Using one of their providers would have cost around $5,000. I paid for it myself.

No sympathy here for greedy providers.
 
Re my above, I'll finish off. Stupid machine decided to send itself off.

If this was corrected, then the services needed for the genuine cases could well be afforded.

At the moment, I don't know who took over Shortens portfolio, but whoever it is, more than likely won't do much or any better than Shorten to combat & bring to justice the rorters.
Totally agree with you. Problem being that the system has allowed them to charge these ridiculous amounts so I can't see them being able to charge them with fraud.
Pity they can't be charged with "highway robbery".

As I've mentioned previously I self manage my daughter's plan and have an arrangement with my daughter's long time carer of $500/day for 24 hour care.
Obviously no provider could match this excellent price. But, once when my daughter's carer was ill I got a price from an NDIS approved provider "$2795/day".
How is that price justified???
 
Our Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, needs to be made aware of these dibilitating issues surrounding NDIS. Clearly, it appears that the Minister for Health is looking the other way, and totally ignoring the massive problems that the administrators of NDIS are causing people, who need assistance with all areas surrounding their disability needs. More transparancy is required into the administrative work conducted by NDIS managers and staff, and those sitting on their high positioned chairs, who make decisions for the NDIS. Furthermore, those currently managing NDIS, need to be replaced. They need to be replaced with people who are honest, ethical, show empathy, compassion and listen to and see the needs of those with medical health issues. By appointing new responsible and ethical managers and staff within the administrative works of the NDIS, immediate positive action can take place, to provide the financial assistance, in every area surrounding the needs, required by all people who have a disability, or a life threatening health issue, that are with NDIS. 🙏🦋
 
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The sad thing with all this wrangling over costs is that the people the NDIS is there to help are often the ones missing out on the care they need. I worked in community health and hospitals for many years and the cost of transport was always a problem. Surely there is someone out there who can work out a fair and reasonable cost system to provide care to NDIS clients. Unfortunately the aged care system is no better and costs for assessments for say equipment are extortionate. Plan management costs are in the hundreds each month even when nothing new or different is done. It is no wonder the Government cannot afford these programmes. It is concerning that because of all this the disabled or aged person will be getting less than they need.
 
Allied health...hmm my experience with my son
1 hour OT at their site paid $198 but it was 30 mts hands on, 30 mts case notes.
The service had uni students doing work experience who worked with the clients but supervised by an OT. Cost... student nil, client still $198.
Service paid the OT a wage approx $40 - $50ph. The balance went to the service owner who now drives a Porsche suv
Functional assessment needed... 2 visits at home and a report $900
 
Well, let me tell you about the highlight of my life one day last week. It was a "teams" meeting with the NDIS to go through our daughters new plan. No, we were not allowed to have a face to face meeting at the local NDIS office. No, we were not provided with any updated info before this meeting. Our daughter, who is 51, has cerebral palsy and lives in a staffed house with 3 others. We had the House Supervisor, Support coordinator and myself. All reports were submitted in October last year - 8 months ago. NDIS were very firm in everything that was discussed. Absolutely no recognition that her needs have increased since the reports were sent. Her dietician has now been cancelled- this was the person who monitored how her meals were prepared - consistency and type, how she takes fluids - thickened. As far as the NDIS is concerned this person is not necessary. Continence aids - pads - are now limited to 6 per day. Tough luck if for some reason she exceeds 6. She has a physio that visits when necessary. She charges approx $195 for one hour, plus $195 travel time plus $1 per kilometer. I personally think the travel time in the city is a rip off and it will be good to see that cut in half. I also believe the allied health people should have to keep a log book for mileage and then claim in their tax and not be charged to the NDIS.

Anyone having their NDIS plan reviewed please make sure that you have all your info up to date. Do not do your review over the phone. Stand your ground on anything that you find "resonable and necessary". The NDIS lady who did our review just kept reading from her computer and it was difficult to get her to stop and listen to what we were saying. When we have gone through this new plan I feel that we will be putting in for a review. Sometimes I feel like asking these people - what actual hands on experience have you had in the disability field?
 
Well, let me tell you about the highlight of my life one day last week. It was a "teams" meeting with the NDIS to go through our daughters new plan. No, we were not allowed to have a face to face meeting at the local NDIS office. No, we were not provided with any updated info before this meeting. Our daughter, who is 51, has cerebral palsy and lives in a staffed house with 3 others. We had the House Supervisor, Support coordinator and myself. All reports were submitted in October last year - 8 months ago. NDIS were very firm in everything that was discussed. Absolutely no recognition that her needs have increased since the reports were sent. Her dietician has now been cancelled- this was the person who monitored how her meals were prepared - consistency and type, how she takes fluids - thickened. As far as the NDIS is concerned this person is not necessary. Continence aids - pads - are now limited to 6 per day. Tough luck if for some reason she exceeds 6. She has a physio that visits when necessary. She charges approx $195 for one hour, plus $195 travel time plus $1 per kilometer. I personally think the travel time in the city is a rip off and it will be good to see that cut in half. I also believe the allied health people should have to keep a log book for mileage and then claim in their tax and not be charged to the NDIS.

Anyone having their NDIS plan reviewed please make sure that you have all your info up to date. Do not do your review over the phone. Stand your ground on anything that you find "resonable and necessary". The NDIS lady who did our review just kept reading from her computer and it was difficult to get her to stop and listen to what we were saying. When we have gone through this new plan I feel that we will be putting in for a review. Sometimes I feel like asking these people - what actual hands on experience have you had in the disability field?
And if you did in 99% of cases it would be none.
 
In 2018, I worked for the NDIA and had access to all pay rate tables for any service connected to the NDIS. I was horrified at the maximum hourly rate that could be charged for specialist services in remote areas and on public holidays.

Never fear! Here is a link to the current pricing arrangements for NDIS providers.


If I were to become an NDIS provider to supply Intensive and Complex Behaviour Supports (item 01_454_0107_1_1) on a public holiday, I could charge up to $253.22 per hour for my services. Don't worry, I am tertiary qualified with over 20 years experience to do the job.
 
Well, let me tell you about the highlight of my life one day last week. It was a "teams" meeting with the NDIS to go through our daughters new plan. No, we were not allowed to have a face to face meeting at the local NDIS office. No, we were not provided with any updated info before this meeting. Our daughter, who is 51, has cerebral palsy and lives in a staffed house with 3 others. We had the House Supervisor, Support coordinator and myself. All reports were submitted in October last year - 8 months ago. NDIS were very firm in everything that was discussed. Absolutely no recognition that her needs have increased since the reports were sent. Her dietician has now been cancelled- this was the person who monitored how her meals were prepared - consistency and type, how she takes fluids - thickened. As far as the NDIS is concerned this person is not necessary. Continence aids - pads - are now limited to 6 per day. Tough luck if for some reason she exceeds 6. She has a physio that visits when necessary. She charges approx $195 for one hour, plus $195 travel time plus $1 per kilometer. I personally think the travel time in the city is a rip off and it will be good to see that cut in half. I also believe the allied health people should have to keep a log book for mileage and then claim in their tax and not be charged to the NDIS.

Anyone having their NDIS plan reviewed please make sure that you have all your info up to date. Do not do your review over the phone. Stand your ground on anything that you find "resonable and necessary". The NDIS lady who did our review just kept reading from her computer and it was difficult to get her to stop and listen to what we were saying. When we have gone through this new plan I feel that we will be putting in for a review. Sometimes I feel like asking these people - what actual hands on experience have you had in the disability field?
Thank you! A concise insight to what goes on with the NDIS, service providers and the nominees or representatives of the person requiring the service.

Your last sentence is the killer. When I first commenced employment with the NDIA, out of 24 of the new inductees, I was the only one that had experience in the disability sector. The rest were carpenters, Uber drivers, retail assistants and the like. I wonder how these other 23 inductees dealt with a participant's representative when it came to specific disability needs!

The mind boggles!
 
The whole bloody damned problem & complete mess with NDIS is, as we all well know is the "Crooks" in the system ripping the government off.

Poor old Billy Shorten couldn't do much about the problem, so he shot through & now has himself in a better 'Bull Shit" job with a university earning himself 'Upteen' thousands of dollars more per year.

The "Rorter Crooks" have to be weeded out, criminally charged with Fraud & made to pay back all of their ill gotten gains. Even if this is confiscating their housing property. No mucking about.

If this was corrected, then the services need for the 'R
Well said! System is pathetic & heartless politicians making the funding cuts & ridiculously harsh rules should be forced to forfeit their huge salaries to help out! NDIS has been a joke & not improving at all
 
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When there are so many people saying that they are not receiving the financial assistance that they need from NDIS, then that would appear to be a definate indication that there are major errors, flaws, deliberate ignorance to recognise the needs of those who need help, all of which point to the likelihood, of a certain level of corrupt conduct within the administration of NDIS. When will the authorities who stand above NDIS, step in, and remove those who are not qualified to do their job the way it should be done. There is no transparency regarding administrative work, which means anyone can do as they please thinking that they are invinsible. Second, those who conduct interviews with existing and potential members of NDIS, should have a clear understanding of health issues faced by people with a disability or a life threatening health issue. Along with an understanding of health issues, there should also be empathy, compassion and a willingness to provide the financial assistance that is needed so much. 🙏🦋
 
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