[Parrot]

Why are we so quick to judge… Hospitals
This person who stated he “ witnessed “ the goings on ie … the security guards carrying out this elderly man with a walking frame and left him outside etc.. what did SHE do to rectify the situation?
Did She realise that the man had been invited into ED after appearing distressed in the Ambulance bay but then became “Anti Social “ and was asked to leave.. This Man was homeless and later
returned to ED but was not admitted.. so if he was “ badly “ treated why would he have returned .?
We should
Capture both complexities of these situations before we judge..

 

[Kayer02]

We don't honestly know the true story of what happened. The hospital could be covering their own asses by putting out that statement. Just because he is homeless doesn't mean he didn't have a genuine need of medical assistance. Could he have dementia ? My father does and at times can be aggressive, slurring speech and disoriented. Does that mean he should not receive help. As I said we don't know the true story and there is always 3 sides to every story as the saying goes...His, hers and the truth.

 

[meighLeigh]

Knowing how hospital staff are sometimes treated by patients - not just swearing at them, but actual, physical attacks - I'm afraid I'm more inclined to think the hospital did the right thing. He was abusive, he was asked to leave. He refused, he was forced to leave. He returned and was treated when he'd learned some manners. It didn't matter if he was homeless or arrived in a Rolls Royce with an armed escort. You treat people with civility. You thank people who try to help. You understand the emergency department is overworked, understaffed, underpaid and under a lot of stress. Above all YOU DO NOT ABUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU
I've long held the belief that anybody offering abuse to hospital staff should be ejected from the hospital, no matter how sick they are.

 

[DLHM]

Too many jump to conclusions before knowing all the facts.

We can express our opinions, but to judge the people involved is ignoring what the total story is. Perhaps there was fault on both sides; hospital staff involved and the patient.

 

[magpie1]

So after witnessing this sad episode in the Emergency section of the hospital did the Witness or anyone else in the waiting area just happen to go outside and enquire if the man was indeed OK or not?....it appears the answer is NO.....so the poor person had to revisit the hospital again a bit later and was not admitted as a patient. Maybe he was drunk and was turned away for swearing and being obstructive.....don't know the full story, only a witness account. So he was left to just wander off into the dark of night alone.....sad.

 

[Sherril54]

If this account is acurate, he would hardy be a threat to staff at a hospital, let alone security guards. It is true that Hospital staff have a lot to put up with difficult and sometimes violent behaviours. This man does not seem to fit a violent profile. More information is required, although an on looker was very concerned about how this situation was managed.
When my mother was very ill she had to sit in an uncomfortable seat in the ED for 4 hours and was in a great deal of pain. My brother was with her at the time and finally went up to the reception raising concerns about her situation and within minutes security arrived and threatened to throw him out ( agreat way to deal with a complaint) this did speed up her progress, but why the heavy handed threats.?

 

[Isis]

I understand the difficulties for staff when people become anti social. But for heavens sake what could an obviously altered old man do to them. Hit them with his walker?

 

[Gil]

I see no mention of the bleeding obvious. All the other patients in the ED must be protected.
If this man was invited into the ED, then became abusive or anti-social, then it is a requirement of the hospital staff to protect all the other patients; in doing so, they call the security personnel for the removal of the problem gentleman. Once the man has been removed, there is also a duty of care for him to be treated properly. This is where I see the main problem here.
Removal from the ED, done correctly due to his behavior:
Depositing onto the street; this is where a lot more should have been done.

 

[Isis]

If this account is acurate, he would hardy be a threat to staff at a hospital, let alone security guards. It is true that Hospital staff have a lot to put up with difficult and sometimes violent behaviours. This man does not seem to fit a violent profile. More information is required, although an on looker was very concerned about how this situation was managed.
When my mother was very ill she had to sit in an uncomfortable seat in the ED for 4 hours and was in a great deal of pain. My brother was with her at the time and finally went up to the reception raising concerns about her situation and within minutes security arrived and threatened to throw him out ( agreat way to deal with a complaint) this did speed up her progress, but why the heavy handed threats.?

8 hours for me in my 80,s turns out I had a collapsed lung. Nothing gained by complaining, they got to me eventually,

I see no mention of the bleeding obvious. All the other patients in the ED must be protected.
If this man was invited into the ED, then became abusive or anti-social, then it is a requirement of the hospital staff to protect all the other patients; in doing so, they call the security personnel for the removal of the problem gentleman. Once the man has been removed, there is also a duty of care for him to be treated properly. This is where I see the main problem here.
Removal from the ED, done correctly due to his behavior:
Depositing onto the street; this is where a lot more should have been done.

agree Thankyou

 

[youngoldlady]

I find that treatment of people who go to ED can vary. The staff need to understand not everyone has the way to express what is wrong. Myself I try to avoid ED after my last visit as I find staff are so busy that sometimes things are not explained properly to the person. Throwing this man out was probably the wrong thing to do, not everyone has someone to speak for them.

Asking questions can get you kicked out if the staff do not want to deal with you.

 

[Judy ABowser]

I see no mention of the bleeding obvious. All the other patients in the ED must be protected.
If this man was invited into the ED, then became abusive or anti-social, then it is a requirement of the hospital staff to protect all the other patients; in doing so, they call the security personnel for the removal of the problem gentleman. Once the man has been removed, there is also a duty of care for him to be treated properly. This is where I see the main problem here.
Removal from the ED, done correctly due to his behavior:
Depositing onto the street; this is where a lot more should have been done.

We need to get all the facts before we make a judgement..I reside in a nursing home & have seen the behaviour of some of the dementia patients it is frightening & their anger. I keep my door locked at night because of what goes on here & the night staff have a key to get in if necessary..I have just spent a few days in hospital with a chest & kidney infection. I did spend most of my time in tears as the head nurse dishing out medication kept trying to change it. I kept asking her to ring my G.P. but it was like talking to a brick wall as a patient you do not know what you are talking about & I do not suffer with DEMENTIA.. I had to have 2 molars out yesterday that had partially fallen out & was taken to the dentist by 2 patient transport men..cannot praise them highly enough they waited with me & got me back safely..They do not have an emergency dentist at the hospital which is not good..I can see the health system is in a mess & needs to be sorted out NOW. Alright for the people with money but I don’t have any & rely on the Govt thanks to the female that stepped in when I was married. she sure knew the right time. Anyway she has lost out as well my ex husband died about 4 years ago I think. I would like to hear the whole story of what happened with this elderly man. I hope he is ok.

 

[Wombat2u2004]

Knowing how hospital staff are sometimes treated by patients - not just swearing at them, but actual, physical attacks - I'm afraid I'm more inclined to think the hospital did the right thing. He was abusive, he was asked to leave. He refused, he was forced to leave. He returned and was treated when he'd learned some manners. It didn't matter if he was homeless or arrived in a Rolls Royce with an armed escort. You treat people with civility. You thank people who try to help. You understand the emergency department is overworked, understaffed, underpaid and under a lot of stress. Above all YOU DO NOT ABUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU
I've long held the belief that anybody offering abuse to hospital staff should be ejected from the hospital, no matter how sick they are.

Sorry MM, I don't buy that.
If you'd have seen my time at hospital caring for my dying wife, you'd change your mind.
Some of your wonderful hardworking, stressed and arrogant nurses sometime need a bloody good shake up.
My wife was an RN, so I know what is expected of them. Her generation of nurses would piss on those practicing today.

 

[Catherines]

This article states he became ‘anti social’. What was his anti social behaviour? It also states ‘his speech was slurred and he couldn’t be understood’. Who asked him and what did they ask him? Did he become aggressive to the point of punching or kicking, etc? Did he verbally abuse the staff? None of this has been stated in the article - so it looks like the true whole story has not been published here, if indeed there is more known. Putting an old, disabled man out on the street was definitely not the way to go from the story here. Often people are so distressed they do get verbal but there are better ways to deal with the situation.