Sunrise panel heats up as guests clash—Nat Barr steps in to calm debate

Live television is never short on drama, but even seasoned viewers of Sunrise were left wide-eyed when host Natalie Barr was forced to step in and restore order during a particularly heated debate between her guests.

The topic? Nothing less than Australia’s response to a major international crisis—one that’s got the whole world talking.



A discussion about Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s response to the ongoing Iran crisis became increasingly tense during a segment on Channel Seven, culminating in a heated exchange between two panellists, with one asking: ‘Whose side are you on?’

Mr Albanese addressed the media at around 11.30am on Monday, more than 24 hours after former US President Donald Trump launched a series of so-called 'bunker bombs' targeting three of Iran’s nuclear facilities, marking a significant escalation in the Middle East conflict.

Initially, a government spokesperson did not directly support the US strikes, and when Mr Albanese did issue a statement, he described the military action as a ‘unilateral action taken by the United States’, only later expressing support for the decision.


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A fiery debate broke out on Sunrise as panellists Amanda Rose and James Willis clashed over Prime Minister Albanese’s response to the US bombing of Iranian nuclear sites, with Rose calling for more independence and criticism of the Trump administration. Image source: Sunrise / Youtube.



During a panel discussion hosted by Sunrise presenter Natalie Barr, Amanda Rose, founding director of Western Sydney Women, criticised the Prime Minister’s stance, suggesting that he should have taken a firmer position against the US.

‘They (the government) shouldn't just support the US simply because they've supported us before,’ she said. ‘They can say, “Yes, we have an alliance with the US but we don't agree with what Donald Trump has done”.’

Fellow panellist James Willis, a journalist for the Daily Telegraph, countered that maintaining strong ties with the US was critical to Australia’s national interest.

‘It works both ways. If Australia is ever under threat, we would expect America and the UK to come to our aid—it’s as simple as that,’ he argued.

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Ms Rose responded by questioning the reliability of the US under Trump’s leadership, stating: ‘We can't have an alliance with a leader of a country who is so unstable, that not only does he bomb another country, he then provokes them.’

She added that Mr Albanese lacked a direct relationship with Trump and had failed to make Australia's position clear.

‘Maybe if Albanese had that conversation with Trump and actually had a relationship with him, he could say, “We don't agree with this”. But he doesn't. He hasn't done anything.’

‘We are sitting ducks in Australia. We have no defence strategy. There is no defending us from our leaders’ perspective—and then we just say we support the USA.’

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Willis reiterated the importance of the US alliance, saying: ‘Which is why if it ever came to it, we would need the United States and the UK to come to our aid.’

Rose replied: ‘What a sad state of affairs that Australia doesn't have a strong enough defence that we actually have to rely on a country.’

At this point, Natalie Barr stepped in to moderate the conversation, noting: ‘We never have though—for decades and decades the US has been our big daddy.’

Barr also pointed out that Iran had breached the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, a key factor in Trump’s decision to act. However, Ms Rose responded by criticising what she described as double standards in global nuclear policy.



‘What they're saying is we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. However, Russia, China, Israel, America can have them,’ she said.

She continued: ‘Even America who's got a track record of lying about the weapons of mass destruction in order to enter a country to bomb them, so they don't have a history of being honest about starting war.’

‘They've got nuclear weapons. But other people can't have them. It's the hypocrisy.’

Her comments prompted Willis to interject: ‘Whose side are you on here, honestly?’

To which Rose replied: ‘The innocent people that are going to be killed if there's World War Three!’


Source: ABC News (Australia) / Youtube.​


Willis then said: ‘One of these countries could've been weeks away from using nuclear weapons. If there was intelligence to that effect, America has to act.’

Ms Rose responded: ‘They've been saying that for 30 years.’

The two continued speaking over one another until Barr stepped in again to restore order.

When questioned about the timing of his response, Mr Albanese said: ‘We aren't a central player in this conflict, that's just a fact.’

‘What we do is we run an orderly, stable government. But I made comments about this in three countries over recent days. My comments today (Monday) are perfectly consistent with that.’

Earlier on Tuesday, Mr Trump posted on social media declaring a ceasefire between Iran and Israel.

‘It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a Complete and Total CEASEFIRE … for 12 hours, at which point the War will be considered, ENDED,’ he wrote.

However, reports of continued rocket fire followed the statement, and Iran’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Abbas Araghchi, stated that no such agreement had been reached. Israel has not yet commented.

Key Takeaways
  • A fiery debate broke out on Sunrise as panellists Amanda Rose and James Willis clashed over Prime Minister Albanese’s response to the US bombing of Iranian nuclear sites, with Rose calling for more independence and criticism of the Trump administration.
  • The discussion highlighted concerns over Australia’s reliance on its alliance with the United States and the UK for national defence, with some arguing that Australia needs a stronger defence strategy of its own.
  • Amanda Rose accused the US of hypocrisy for opposing Iran’s nuclear program while keeping its own nuclear arsenal, pointing out inconsistencies in how nuclear weapons are treated globally.
  • Despite Trump’s claim of a 12-hour ceasefire between Iran and Israel, hostilities and uncertainty continue, with both Iran and Israel disputing the existence of any such agreement.

Do you feel Australia should always stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the United States, or is it wiser to take a more independent path? And how confident are you in the way our leaders are managing these complex international issues? Share your opinions in the comments below!
 

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Since when has Iran been a military threat to Australia. Their only threat is immigration where about 1400 Iranians have become legal permanent residents since 2017-18. I am not aware of the total illegal immigrants.

Our greatest threat is not necessarily military. Economic coercion from China and the US is of greater concern.
 
Firstly, to whoever wrote this article, Trump is the current president of USA not the former (although that term does apply as well) president of USA.
As for his statement that the bombing obliterated the nuclear sites in Iran, just remember that he is TACO Trump & will come up with another level of damage tomorrow.
 
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I would not like to be in Albo’s shoes when trying to work with Trump, as I am sure other leaders also have difficulties with his attitude. Yes we do need support from our leaders but some are easier to deal with than others. Trump has been calling the tune about making America great ever since he came into Office. He may be on the right track but I think ha has given all leaders a run for their money when trying to deal with him. Time will prove whether he was right in making a unilateral decision to take the bull by the horns. But I don’t think Albo did anything wrong in the comments he made. I think Trump is a very difficult person to deal with. However he may prove to be a good President - only time will tell. But I think he is very self opinionated, aggressive and rude. Maybe this will bring good results for him, maybe not. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. But using the F word in comments to the Media doesn’t make me warm to his attitude
 
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I would not want to have to deal with Trump. I felt sorry for Albo when he was ignored by Trump about reviewing the AUKAS agreement. Any dealings with this man look to be very shaky. He lies and loves to promote himself and I don’t think he would have the stamina to be loyal to anyone. So far as we need USA this is what we have been told for ever. We need reliable and honest partners to work towards peace. Time will tell whether this ceasefire will hold. It will be interesting to see whether AUKAS proceeds. It will surprise me if it does. Trump didn’t even know what it was!!!
 
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I felt very sorry for Albenese having to negotiate and work with Trump after he seemed to snub him at the meeting that he urgently left (presumably to fix the War). I think Trump would be very difficult because he is so self opinionated, aggressive and appears not to be trusted or loyal. Whether he is successful only time will tell But I wouldn’t suggest that he would consider Australia’s needs. He didn’t even know what AUKAS stood for. And the way he has kept people guessing does not stand for a good alliance in my opinion.
 
It doesnt really matter whether Australia supports Trump (not the USA) or not, Trump (again not the USA!) will do what suits him and him alone at any given time! He wants to be the "King of the World", like Hitler before him, and will do anything to make that happen. He says one thing today and does something else the next, he s unreliable and unpredictable, he s a lying convicted criminal! Most of us would not want to have anything to do with him privately. I personally dont believe that "cease fire agreement" ever existed! He reported it to look like the important negotiator and peacemaker, but nobody else mentioned it, and more bombs were falling just after his news! we wont know if his attack really destroyed Iran s nuclear facilities or if he and his allies just claim so, and we dont know yet what consequences this action might have. But we know that we cant rely on the USA to help us in case of need, at least not under this president. You may be his BFF one day, but he ll kick you (or kill you!)/turns against you the very next day if it suits his purpose ... think Elon, Putin, etc. It s dangerous to speak out against him, people who did so publicly (like the female judge) have disappeared... so I think Albanese is right not to say too much. As long as he "flies low" Trump just ignores Australia and we are relatively safe...
Trump is treating Australia and our Politicians like fools, and why should Albanese accept this behaviour, America does rely on Australia in strategic way`s i.e Pine Gap, we are also located in the South Pacific which is very helpfull for intelligence regarding China and other concerning countries. Australia has always backed America in their war efforts., Trump does not respect whimps or brown-nosers, one of his favourite leaders is PUTIN.
 
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