Plan to reduce pension access for claimants with drug and alcohol-related conditions is scrapped

The Albanese government has put an end to a disability support pension (DSP) proposal that would have made it more difficult for claimants with drug and alcohol-related illnesses to access pensions.

A spokesperson for the Department of Social Services confirmed the development as part of the budget process.

‘The reversal of this measure is a clean slate on this issue, as the department continues its review of the disability support pension impairment tables,’ they said.


A similar move gained ground in 2018 under the former Coalition government, but it was rejected by the Senate.

But despite this plan being scrapped, the Albanese government is still being pressured to act on problems with the structure of the DSP.

In 2021, a Senate inquiry found ‘serious flaws’ with the disability support pension system, which led to recommendations of improvements such as allowing applicants to qualify for DSP with an accumulated 20 points and not 20 points under one assessment table.

For an applicant to qualify, they must satisfy strict requirements such as obtaining a 20-point ‘severe’ rating under one table.


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The government has backed down on a proposal that would have endangered the access of those with drug and alcohol-related issues from disability support. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Cottonbro Studio


The government uses various tables to assess applicants for DSP, which covers many bodily functions such as brain function, digestive and reproductive function, and limb function.

The inquiry, led by Greens senator Janet Rice (we’ve included a useful video at the end of the article), also pushed for the review of a rule requiring a condition to be ‘fully diagnosed, treated, and stabilised’ over concerns it holds back many people with systemic access issues from getting aid.

Now, the Albanese government has proposed new impairment tables as part of once-a-decade reviews on rules governing disability pension eligibility.


‘The proposed changes to the Impairment Tables are to improve consistency, address advancements in medical technology and terminology, provide clearer guidance and improve accessibility.’ the Department of Social Services said.

‘The changes aim to ensure there is better clarity around eligibility for the Disability Support Pension.’

Other key changes are requirements for health conditions to just be ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ to qualify for DSP.

Persons with conditions like cancer are also expected to have easier access to DSP, while those with mental health conditions must first obtain evidence from registered psychologists.


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A 2021 Senate review found many points for improvement in Australia’s disability guidelines. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Anas Aldyab


But the new tables have received mixed reactions, with some concerned they are still preventing many people in need of financial aid from accessing disability aid.

For one, Rice claimed the changes were ‘a few minor tweaks’ that ignored her Senate panel’s findings in 2021.

One key criticism from her was that the rule on illnesses being ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ should have been scrapped outright as it still presented a hurdle for those with disabilities.

This is an opinion shared by Kristin O’Connor, a DSP recipient and spokesperson of the Antipoverty Centre.

‘If it’s functionally impairing you, why should you need to have those criteria fulfilled?’ she asked.

Others also saw the need for improvement despite the welcome changes.

‘Too often the word “unable” appears in the suggested reforms, rather than “experiences severe difficulty in performing”,’ said Ian Turton of the Illawarra Legal Centre.


‘These are meant to assess their ability to work. In the workplace, the issue isn’t the ability to do something once off and then rest. It’s “can this person sustain tasks like this in a work-based environment?”’

‘Some of the tables are still an “all or nothing” test. I’ve seen Centrelink lawyers say, “This client picked up a pen, which means they can lean forward and pick up a light object”, which is one of the tests in the tables. There are too many gotcha moments in the changes.’

Australian Council of Social Service Chief Executive Cassandra Goldie meanwhile found a few things to celebrate in the revised impairment tables, such as improved recognition of disabilities and conditions, including neurodiversity.

‘Ultimately, however, amendments to the impairment tables can only go so far,’ she said.

‘The real issues with access to DSP will still need to be addressed.’

Key Takeaways

  • The Albanese government has backed down from a proposal that would have made it harder for people with drug and alcohol-related conditions to get access to the disability support pension.
  • Advocates have had mixed reactions to the proposed revisions, which have been criticised by welfare groups for blocking many people from government support.
  • But advocates say the language in some of the new impairment tables would be problematic for some applicants.


DSP varies on a case-to-case basis, but the maximum basic rate for a single person aged 21 and above without a child per fortnight is currently $936.80.

Figures from the Department of Social Services earlier revealed that around 358,000 Australians, about 43.1%, on JobSeeker payment only had a ‘partial capacity to work’ for 15-30 hours weekly.

These people included those with various ailments, including cancer, musculoskeletal or connective tissue diseases, and mental health conditions.

What is your reaction to this story? What other changes do you think could be done so more people with disabilities can access the disability support pension?

Tell us your thoughts and opinions below!


Source: YouTube/Australian Greens
 
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my son-in-law is a 3 times cancer survivor who has to be on New start, as he has too many reasons why he can't work 15 hours a week (ie) he can't allow his core temperature to rise as he has lost all the lymph nodes in his left arm to cancer also he can't work in the sun due to melanoma. He also had a mass on a kidney that resulted in the loss of his kidney to cancer. So why can't he access the higher rate?
Seriously! Why is cancer not classified or classed as being ENOUGH for victims to get DSP?? I have always wondered that but having a friend who struggled with this for years just recently pass away it’s brought back the confusion! I watched her struggle with high prices of cancer medication because it wasn’t on the PBS, her husband couldn’t work either due to ill health yet neither were able to get DSP. She was mid 60’s not that age matters when cancer is involved but it’s not right they had to struggle because the government doesn’t recognise cancer is enough for them to be helped by DSP
 
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After several years of military service, I studied, retrained and worked in the same profession for four decades, that work eventually ruined my physical and mental health. My last job with Q Health ended when I was forcibly "retired" due to my declining health conditions.
Centrelink then decided that I was capable of working 30-40 hours a week.
"Newstart"???? What an insult to ones intelligence especially after fifty years of constant employment!
I took a ream of paperwork from consultant surgeons, physicians and psychiatrists, physiotherapists, occupational health and psychologists, including agents from Dept. of Veterans Affairs, all testifying to my disability, to C-link only to have it rejected by a brat with a checklist. The extra stress of having to apply for several jobs per week further weakened me.
It took five years of repeated applications and arguing with the dullards in C-link before I was finally accepted as being unfit to work. I was beginning to believe that the only evidence of disability, they would accept, would be my death certificate!
Just to note you are ex-military. So is my dad. He has his TPI etc being a Vietnam Veteran. However I’m still shocked by how little support he’s offered after serving over 30 years for his country, ending up with PTSD because of Vietnam and numerous medical conditions after being in contact with Agent Orange.

Why can’t Australia value our military men and women for the services they provide so the rest of us can live peacefully. If the Americans do one thing right, it’s the way they honour their veterans.

Our veterans need more help and respect from the government
 
I can attest & sympathize with what you have been through & are still undergoing. I started seeing a Psychologist when l was about 4 or 5 y.o. & have seen all types of councillors in this medical bracket up to about 5 years ago. Their cost is prohibitive with little rebate.

While doing an apprenticeship l didn't wan't to do because 'You need a trade behind you', according to my parents, had a mental breakdown & was hospitalised for the first time. The second hospitalization was approx 18 months after marriage & several jobs. Over a period of 24 months l estimate l worked just 12 months. This caused depression as the only bread earner needing more treatment.

In 1982, against my better judgement & with a lot of luck l was employed in a very stressful job as a Prison Officer for 6 years & 9 mos, eventually giving this away after much sick time off, very frequent counseling & when l received a certificate for 6 mos. sick leave. My next job with the Water Authority saw my specialist medical visits continue & numerous injuries including a strain of both shoulders, snapped tendon in a finger & many more. Eventually l was said to be unable to do the work & granted a work package (not worth having). I was only 47 y.o. ( now 70 y.o. ). A small self employed business seemed good after the Water Auth, but after 12 mos & forking out $10,000 incl solicitor fees trying to sue a scrupulous real estate agent l fell into a heap. This prompted another hospital stay after making known my intentions to suicide.

Several operations were paid for by workers comp. for previous injuries. Sickness Benefit later changed to DSP, but not until l had applied, been refused & lodged an objection against the decision, which was overturned. All the time with pain & emotional illness. Years later my wife obtained a Carer's Allowance for me.
Without support from an understanding wife l know where l would have been several years ago.

Like other people here l didn't choose to be ill or in pain, applied for benefits l believed l was entitled to receive & had to put up with the b.s. of someone employed by Centrelink who only had a set of guidelines to make a decision & without any medical experience. One of our writers stated that reports from 2 Specialist were not enough to acquire benefits genuinely entitled to.
I have commented on the post by "lonelyasacloud" with regard to alcoholism & do not believe that this category & drug addiction have any right at all to be on DSP at the exclusion of those who are genuinely unable to work through non-self inflicted injuries or pain. People with pain usually try to find a solution, other than benefits for their debilitating problems.

The Federal Govt. need to get their head out off the sand or their bum, whichever it is, & take a long hard look at the genuine people who need (help) benefits & not the provocation of being told they are well enough to work when they clearly can not!!!
Again So very well said .🙂
 
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Just to note you are ex-military. So is my dad. He has his TPI etc being a Vietnam Veteran. However I’m still shocked by how little support he’s offered after serving over 30 years for his country, ending up with PTSD because of Vietnam and numerous medical conditions after being in contact with Agent Orange.

Why can’t Australia value our military men and women for the services they provide so the rest of us can live peacefully. If the Americans do one thing right, it’s the way they honour their veterans.

Our veterans need more help and respect from the government
In college I did a study on The Vietnam War.

Australia conscripted 60,000 men to help in the fight of the Vietnam war.
500 Australian's were killed and around 3,000 were injured.

But it didn't stop there , years later a large number of Vietnam vets were diagnosed with cancer not just this but many were sterile or their children were born with deformities
All because of a mixture of pesticides and herbicides which was sprayed over a large area. This was given the name of Agent Orange.

The Vets were given no help....no recognition and sadly this didn't happen for years
 
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The Albanese government has put an end to a disability support pension (DSP) proposal that would have made it more difficult for claimants with drug and alcohol-related illnesses to access pensions.

A spokesperson for the Department of Social Services confirmed the development as part of the budget process.

‘The reversal of this measure is a clean slate on this issue, as the department continues its review of the disability support pension impairment tables,’ they said.


A similar move gained ground in 2018 under the former Coalition government, but it was rejected by the Senate.

But despite this plan being scrapped, the Albanese government is still being pressured to act on problems with the structure of the DSP.

In 2021, a Senate inquiry found ‘serious flaws’ with the disability support pension system, which led to recommendations of improvements such as allowing applicants to qualify for DSP with an accumulated 20 points and not 20 points under one assessment table.

For an applicant to qualify, they must satisfy strict requirements such as obtaining a 20-point ‘severe’ rating under one table.


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The government has backed down on a proposal that would have endangered the access of those with drug and alcohol-related issues from disability support. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Cottonbro Studio


The government uses various tables to assess applicants for DSP, which covers many bodily functions such as brain function, digestive and reproductive function, and limb function.

The inquiry, led by Greens senator Janet Rice (we’ve included a useful video at the end of the article), also pushed for the review of a rule requiring a condition to be ‘fully diagnosed, treated, and stabilised’ over concerns it holds back many people with systemic access issues from getting aid.

Now, the Albanese government has proposed new impairment tables as part of once-a-decade reviews on rules governing disability pension eligibility.


‘The proposed changes to the Impairment Tables are to improve consistency, address advancements in medical technology and terminology, provide clearer guidance and improve accessibility.’ the Department of Social Services said.

‘The changes aim to ensure there is better clarity around eligibility for the Disability Support Pension.’

Other key changes are requirements for health conditions to just be ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ to qualify for DSP.

Persons with conditions like cancer are also expected to have easier access to DSP, while those with mental health conditions must first obtain evidence from registered psychologists.


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A 2021 Senate review found many points for improvement in Australia’s disability guidelines. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Anas Aldyab


But the new tables have received mixed reactions, with some concerned they are still preventing many people in need of financial aid from accessing disability aid.

For one, Rice claimed the changes were ‘a few minor tweaks’ that ignored her Senate panel’s findings in 2021.

One key criticism from her was that the rule on illnesses being ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ should have been scrapped outright as it still presented a hurdle for those with disabilities.

This is an opinion shared by Kristin O’Connor, a DSP recipient and spokesperson of the Antipoverty Centre.

‘If it’s functionally impairing you, why should you need to have those criteria fulfilled?’ she asked.

Others also saw the need for improvement despite the welcome changes.

‘Too often the word “unable” appears in the suggested reforms, rather than “experiences severe difficulty in performing”,’ said Ian Turton of the Illawarra Legal Centre.


‘These are meant to assess their ability to work. In the workplace, the issue isn’t the ability to do something once off and then rest. It’s “can this person sustain tasks like this in a work-based environment?”’

‘Some of the tables are still an “all or nothing” test. I’ve seen Centrelink lawyers say, “This client picked up a pen, which means they can lean forward and pick up a light object”, which is one of the tests in the tables. There are too many gotcha moments in the changes.’

Australian Council of Social Service Chief Executive Cassandra Goldie meanwhile found a few things to celebrate in the revised impairment tables, such as improved recognition of disabilities and conditions, including neurodiversity.

‘Ultimately, however, amendments to the impairment tables can only go so far,’ she said.

‘The real issues with access to DSP will still need to be addressed.’

Key Takeaways

  • The Albanese government has backed down from a proposal that would have made it harder for people with drug and alcohol-related conditions to get access to the disability support pension.
  • Advocates have had mixed reactions to the proposed revisions, which have been criticised by welfare groups for blocking many people from government support.
  • But advocates say the language in some of the new impairment tables would be problematic for some applicants.


DSP varies on a case-to-case basis, but the maximum basic rate for a single person aged 21 and above without a child per fortnight is currently $936.80.

Figures from the Department of Social Services earlier revealed that around 358,000 Australians, about 43.1%, on JobSeeker payment only had a ‘partial capacity to work’ for 15-30 hours weekly.

These people included those with various ailments, including cancer, musculoskeletal or connective tissue diseases, and mental health conditions.

What is your reaction to this story? What other changes do you think could be done so more people with disabilities can access the disability support pension?

Tell us your thoughts and opinions below!


Source: YouTube/Australian Greens

The Albanese government has put an end to a disability support pension (DSP) proposal that would have made it more difficult for claimants with drug and alcohol-related illnesses to access pensions.

A spokesperson for the Department of Social Services confirmed the development as part of the budget process.

‘The reversal of this measure is a clean slate on this issue, as the department continues its review of the disability support pension impairment tables,’ they said.


A similar move gained ground in 2018 under the former Coalition government, but it was rejected by the Senate.

But despite this plan being scrapped, the Albanese government is still being pressured to act on problems with the structure of the DSP.

In 2021, a Senate inquiry found ‘serious flaws’ with the disability support pension system, which led to recommendations of improvements such as allowing applicants to qualify for DSP with an accumulated 20 points and not 20 points under one assessment table.

For an applicant to qualify, they must satisfy strict requirements such as obtaining a 20-point ‘severe’ rating under one table.


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The government has backed down on a proposal that would have endangered the access of those with drug and alcohol-related issues from disability support. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Cottonbro Studio


The government uses various tables to assess applicants for DSP, which covers many bodily functions such as brain function, digestive and reproductive function, and limb function.

The inquiry, led by Greens senator Janet Rice (we’ve included a useful video at the end of the article), also pushed for the review of a rule requiring a condition to be ‘fully diagnosed, treated, and stabilised’ over concerns it holds back many people with systemic access issues from getting aid.

Now, the Albanese government has proposed new impairment tables as part of once-a-decade reviews on rules governing disability pension eligibility.


‘The proposed changes to the Impairment Tables are to improve consistency, address advancements in medical technology and terminology, provide clearer guidance and improve accessibility.’ the Department of Social Services said.

‘The changes aim to ensure there is better clarity around eligibility for the Disability Support Pension.’

Other key changes are requirements for health conditions to just be ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ to qualify for DSP.

Persons with conditions like cancer are also expected to have easier access to DSP, while those with mental health conditions must first obtain evidence from registered psychologists.


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A 2021 Senate review found many points for improvement in Australia’s disability guidelines. Stock Image Credit: Pexels/Anas Aldyab


But the new tables have received mixed reactions, with some concerned they are still preventing many people in need of financial aid from accessing disability aid.

For one, Rice claimed the changes were ‘a few minor tweaks’ that ignored her Senate panel’s findings in 2021.

One key criticism from her was that the rule on illnesses being ‘diagnosed, reasonably treated, and stabilised’ should have been scrapped outright as it still presented a hurdle for those with disabilities.

This is an opinion shared by Kristin O’Connor, a DSP recipient and spokesperson of the Antipoverty Centre.

‘If it’s functionally impairing you, why should you need to have those criteria fulfilled?’ she asked.

Others also saw the need for improvement despite the welcome changes.

‘Too often the word “unable” appears in the suggested reforms, rather than “experiences severe difficulty in performing”,’ said Ian Turton of the Illawarra Legal Centre.


‘These are meant to assess their ability to work. In the workplace, the issue isn’t the ability to do something once off and then rest. It’s “can this person sustain tasks like this in a work-based environment?”’

‘Some of the tables are still an “all or nothing” test. I’ve seen Centrelink lawyers say, “This client picked up a pen, which means they can lean forward and pick up a light object”, which is one of the tests in the tables. There are too many gotcha moments in the changes.’

Australian Council of Social Service Chief Executive Cassandra Goldie meanwhile found a few things to celebrate in the revised impairment tables, such as improved recognition of disabilities and conditions, including neurodiversity.

‘Ultimately, however, amendments to the impairment tables can only go so far,’ she said.

‘The real issues with access to DSP will still need to be addressed.’

Key Takeaways

  • The Albanese government has backed down from a proposal that would have made it harder for people with drug and alcohol-related conditions to get access to the disability support pension.
  • Advocates have had mixed reactions to the proposed revisions, which have been criticised by welfare groups for blocking many people from government support.
  • But advocates say the language in some of the new impairment tables would be problematic for some applicants.


DSP varies on a case-to-case basis, but the maximum basic rate for a single person aged 21 and above without a child per fortnight is currently $936.80.

Figures from the Department of Social Services earlier revealed that around 358,000 Australians, about 43.1%, on JobSeeker payment only had a ‘partial capacity to work’ for 15-30 hours weekly.

These people included those with various ailments, including cancer, musculoskeletal or connective tissue diseases, and mental health conditions.

What is your reaction to this story? What other changes do you think could be done so more people with disabilities can access the disability support pension?

Tell us your thoughts and opinions below!


Source: YouTube/Australian Greens

There are people who lost their brain on drugs and alcohol and simply can't work anymore and there are others who had an schizophrenic attack 30 years ago and are on the DSP.
Maybe it's time to overthink the whole system. Give everyone a basic payment who isn't working and have incentives for the ones who want to get out of it. Incentives for studying, incentive through NDIS.
 
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In college I did a study on The Vietnam War.

Australia conscripted 60,000 men to help in the fight of the Vietnam war.
500 Australian's were killed and around 3,000 were injured.

But it didn't stop there , years later a large number of Vietnam vets were diagnosed with cancer not just this but many were sterile or their children were born with deformities
All because of a mixture of pesticides and herbicides which was sprayed over a large area. This was given the name of Agent Orange.

The Vets were given no help....no recognition and sadly this didn't happen for years
Yes the Agent Orange could be transferred to the unborn child as you know. In Cold Chisel’s Khe Sahn, it mentions no V Day heroes in 1973.. these veterans were and still are being overlooked.
 
In college I did a study on The Vietnam War.

Australia conscripted 60,000 men to help in the fight of the Vietnam war.
500 Australian's were killed and around 3,000 were injured.

But it didn't stop there , years later a large number of Vietnam vets were diagnosed with cancer not just this but many were sterile or their children were born with deformities
All because of a mixture of pesticides and herbicides which was sprayed over a large area. This was given the name of Agent Orange.

The Vets were given no help....no recognition and sadly this didn't happen for years
My cousin was one of those soldiers killed in Vietnam when he stood on a land mine.
I have worked with several of those ex-soldiers & often saw strange behaviour from them. Very sad to see.
 
My cousin was one of those soldiers killed in Vietnam when he stood on a land mine.
I have worked with several of those ex-soldiers & often saw strange behaviour from them. Very sad to see.
I’m sorry for your loss Ezzy. My dad won’t talk about it, he can’t listen to Redgum’s I was only 19, and some war movies he will get up and walk away. He still suffers from nightmares which is hard for my mum too. I recently just moved out of home (again) and having heard him yell in his sleep as well as the kicking etc like most nightmares produce, it’s extremely hard for us to not be able to help him.
It’s no wonder he doesn’t want to sleep.
 
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My cousin was one of those soldiers killed in Vietnam when he stood on a land mine.
I have worked with several of those ex-soldiers & often saw strange behaviour from them. Very sad to see.
Sorry to hear about your cousin. Yes, very sad with the men returning from war. My father in law was a Paratrooper in the Korean War.
 
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I’m sorry for your loss Ezzy. My dad won’t talk about it, he can’t listen to Redgum’s I was only 19, and some war movies he will get up and walk away. He still suffers from nightmares which is hard for my mum too. I recently just moved out of home (again) and having heard him yell in his sleep as well as the kicking etc like most nightmares produce, it’s extremely hard for us to not be able to help him.
It’s no wonder he doesn’t want to sleep.
Thankyou for sharing your experience here Jen77au. I can only imagine how hard living there was for you & still is for mum. Nightmares of life in Vietnam must be horrendous for him. My heart goes out to Dad, Mum & yourself. We will never really know what our soldiers suffered there. We hear stories of Americans killing their own together with enemy mantraps etc. I wonder if we are better off not knowing what happened there but also think if our soldiers could talk about their time there they may find some relief. It is hard to offer help if our loved ones will not share the experiences with those closest to them.

In 1988 prisoners at Fremantle Prison here in W.A. rioted & took hostages. I have been on tours through there since but there is no mention of that time & l believe it is not spoken about, possibly for the same reason. As part of a security unit sent in to release the hostages l have some first hand knowledge of this time. The prisoners surrendered before we went into action. Fortunately this only lasted for 24 hours, but every minute has stayed with me very clearly.
 
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Sorry to hear about cousin. Yes, very sad with the men returning from war. My father in law was a Paratrooper in the Korean War.
Thankyou Penny4. That was the first & l hope last time l attend a military funeral.
I am sure your F.I.L. would have been on many scary missions too.
All our soldiers going to war deserve our respect.
 
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Thankyou for sharing your experience here Jen77au. I can only imagine how hard living there was for you & still is for mum. Nightmares of life in Vietnam must be horrendous for him. My heart goes out to Dad, Mum & yourself. We will never really know what our soldiers suffered there. We hear stories of Americans killing their own together with enemy mantraps etc. I wonder if we are better off not knowing what happened there but also think if our soldiers could talk about their time there they may find some relief. It is hard to offer help if our loved ones will not share the experiences with those closest to them.

In 1988 prisoners at Fremantle Prison here in W.A. rioted & took hostages. I have been on tours through there since but there is no mention of that time & l believe it is not spoken about, possibly for the same reason. As part of a security unit sent in to release the hostages l have some first hand knowledge of this time. The prisoners surrendered before we went into action. Fortunately this only lasted for 24 hours, but every minute has stayed with me very clearly.
That too must have been a scary experience. I’m aware of one paratrooper who was drafted. His best friend was murdered by someone in their unit as they slept. He was asleep next to him at the time. He and my dad served together afterwards in Sydney and I grew up with his daughter, my older brother and her brother grew up together. Our mums were best friends until they lost her to a brain aneurysm when we were 5. Not only did her father go through the horrors in the war, he lost the love of his life so early on and had to bring up their children alone. He never remarried, bless him and passed away a couple of years ago at 78.
 
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That too must have been a scary experience. I’m aware of one paratrooper who was drafted. His best friend was murdered by someone in their unit as they slept. He was asleep next to him at the time. He and my dad served together afterwards in Sydney and I grew up with his daughter, my older brother and her brother grew up together. Our mums were best friends until they lost her to a brain aneurysm when we were 5. Not only did her father go through the horrors in the war, he lost the love of his life so early on and had to bring up their children alone. He never remarried, bless him and passed away a couple of years ago at 78.
That is a truly horrendous experience for that gent. Great he found a friend in your father but extremely sad he had to go through the rest of his life without the love of his life. Would have been very hard raising his children without his wife & having memories of those years serving his country. Nice to think that his children had yourselves as friends at this time in their lives.

As l mentioned before, the prisoners surrendered, thankfully. The saying about hearing a pin drop was true. The prison has passing traffic as well. This is perhaps what caused their action to give up. The contingency plans involved using weapons. I resigned later that year after a further incident at another prison where my partner & l thwarted an escape. We both carried weapons on those shifts. I imagine the silence l experienced would have been similar to that experienced by our brave soldiers. Sorry but this is causing me to cry.
 
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That is a truly horrendous experience for that gent. Great he found a friend in your father but extremely sad he had to go through the rest of his life without the love of his life. Would have been very hard raising his children without his wife & having memories of those years serving his country. Nice to think that his children had yourselves as friends at this time in their lives.

As l mentioned before, the prisoners surrendered, thankfully. The saying about hearing a pin drop was true. The prison has passing traffic as well. This is perhaps what caused their action to give up. The contingency plans involved using weapons. I resigned later that year after a further incident at another prison where my partner & l thwarted an escape. We both carried weapons on those shifts. I imagine the silence l experienced would have been similar to that experienced by our brave soldiers. Sorry but this is causing me to cry.
Oh Ezzy. I’m sorry to have upset you! It’s the brave people such as yourself and your partner who keep our communities safe. Bless you 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
 
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A Death Certificate would not work or I would have presented them with 2 from my Cardiac Arrests! They kept me on Newstart even though they paid for a Carer for me. That meant I was "able to work" but unable to look after myself (i.e. remember to take medication, attend appointments, cook meals, clean the house and other things). I finally got the DSP but it will be reviewed after 2 years and now I am in the process of trying to get help from NDIS which is another trial again as there is no clear definition of the process available.
The NDIS is another American idea that we have adopted that is a disaster....the Disability services that we used to have worked well... I could refer a client there, they assessed and got the relevant services in place. Now, NDIS just "talks"... its all talk..no service, no assistance....another change that has taken a functioning system to a disaster!!! 😪
 
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The NDIS is another American idea that we have adopted that is a disaster....the Disability services that we used to have worked well... I could refer a client there, they assessed and got the relevant services in place. Now, NDIS just "talks"... its all talk..no service, no assistance....another change that has taken a functioning system to a disaster!!! 😪
Oh don’t get me started on the NDIS….
 
Oh Ezzy. I’m sorry to have upset you! It’s the brave people such as yourself and your partner who keep our communities safe. Bless you 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
I apologise for finishing my reply in that manner Jen77au. If it were not for my wife l indeed would not have gotten through. I am indeed a lucky person. Thankyou for your kind message. Bless you too my friend.
 
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I apologise for finishing my reply in that manner Jen77au. If it were not for my wife l indeed would not have gotten through. I am indeed a lucky person. Thankyou for your kind message. Bless you too my friend.
Do not apologise! After what you went through Sir, you are entitled to feel that way. You’re wife must know how lucky she is to have you as well, since you indeed say you know how lucky you are 😊
 
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