NRL legend exposes Kangaroos players' act during national anthem—what’s your take?

The spirit of national pride and the respect for traditions in sports have long been topics of heated discussion, and once again, they've been thrust into the limelight by none other than NRL legend Mark Carroll.

Speaking on SEN radio, Carroll voiced his disappointment over a sight that left many rugby league fans feeling uneasy.



Several Australian players refrained from singing the national anthem before the Kangaroos' clash with New Zealand in the Pacific Championships.

For many Australians, especially those who have seen the country and its customs evolve over the decades, the national anthem represents a moment of unity and pride.


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NRL legend Mark Carroll criticised the Kangaroos over their divisive act. Credit: @arlkangaroos / Instagram


It's a time-honoured tradition that resonates with the community spirit we hold dear. Carroll, who donned the green and gold jersey in 12 Test matches, reminisced about his own experiences, saying, 'As a kid, I dreamt about playing for Australia. Just to hear that anthem, I was a (big) singer…I watch the anthem now, it disappoints me if the blokes don’t sing it.'

While Carroll's perspective is rooted in a traditional view of representing one's country, the modern sporting landscape has shifted.

The NRL and State of Origin have grown in prominence, arguably overshadowing international football, and with that, the significance of the Kangaroos jersey may have waned for some players.



On the other side of the debate, figures like former Kangaroos and Wallabies player Mat Rogers have come to the defence of players who choose not to sing.

Rogers expressed his indifference to the issue last year, stating, 'I’m over it, like who cares, honestly. It’s an antiquated song made 150 years ago that we’re forcing (them) to sing. If they don’t want to sing it, don’t sing it.'

‘I didn’t sing it every time I played for Australia…But that didn’t mean I wasn’t proud to play for Australia.

‘We’re banging on about stuff that’s just ridiculous, there’s so much more stuff to worry about than someone singing a song, like who cares? If that’s a genuine issue, you’ve got to get more going on in your life.’



The discussion doesn't end with the anthem. The pre-match war cries, a staple of Pacific Islander teams, have also sparked controversy.

The intensity and passion of these performances, such as the Haka (New Zealand), Siva Tau (Samoa), and Sipi Tau (Tonga), are celebrated worldwide.

However, recent incidents involving physical contact during these rituals have prompted questions about respect and sportsmanship.

Corey Parker, another voice in the rugby league community, raised concerns about the appropriateness of contact during these cultural displays.



'I'm all for the war cries, but what happens, hypothetically, if Gordon Chan Kum Tong does that and you give him a good, old-fashioned 'don’t argue, get out of my space type thing?'' Parker questioned.

'Is that disrespectful? Are you supposed to just cop it?'

Carroll, while critical of the Kangaroos' anthem silence, expressed admiration for the pride other nations show in their jersey through these war cries.

'I love the Haka, the Haka is magnificent,' he said. 'I love the intensity and passion of each nation, the Tongans, the Samoans, and the Kiwis, it means so much to them.'
Key Takeaways
  • NRL legend Mark Carroll expressed disappointment seeing Australian players not singing the national anthem before the Kangaroos and New Zealand clash.
  • Carroll reminisced about his pride in playing for Australia and singing the anthem as a player, contrasting that with the current players' attitudes.
  • Former player Mat Rogers defended those who choose not to sing, citing the anthem's age and saying there are more important issues to focus on.
  • Debate surrounds players making contact during pre-match war cries, with opinions divided on whether it's respectful or if players should react to being confronted.
What are your thoughts on the importance of singing the national anthem and the expression of cultural pride in sports? Do you feel that these traditions still hold the same weight they once did, or is it time for a change? Share your views with us in the comments below.
 
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There’s a big difference between a national anthem and a war chant such as the Haka, etc. Bet the players from those nations don’t all sing their anthem but ALL can’t wait for their war chants. Maybe that’s what we need. Anyway as long as the players stand quietly and show respect while their, or any country’s anthem is playing, that’s all that’s required. I know God Save The Queen/King from school days as a child, Aussie born and bred, but after all these years I still can’t remember the words to our current anthem.
I DOUBT THAT THERE IS ONE KIWI WHO CAN NOT SING THE WORDS OF OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM MAORI AND ENGLISH.
 
If you ever get the chance watch how the Scottish and Welsh teams sing their National Anthems. The majority of the crowd all join in. They sing with so much pride. I once saw a video of Jimmie Barnes singing the Scottish anthem - nothing to do with it being an old song. It's all about how you feel about your own country - pride and respect - that's how all teams should sing.
As a Scot living in Australia I concur with your comments. There is nothing more likely to stir my heartstrings than hearing a Scottish football crowd singing Flower of Scotland - it's amazing!
 
There’s a big difference between a national anthem and a war chant such as the Haka, etc. Bet the players from those nations don’t all sing their anthem but ALL can’t wait for their war chants. Maybe that’s what we need. Anyway as long as the players stand quietly and show respect while their, or any country’s anthem is playing, that’s all that’s required. I know God Save The Queen/King from school days as a child, Aussie born and bred, but after all these years I still can’t remember the words to our current anthem.
Almost every Aussie child knows the words and probably to all the verses. They learn it in school and sing it on parade/assembly. When one of my grandsons learnt Advance Australia Fair, he was so proud he wound the car window down and belted it out as loud as he could all the way home from school every afternoon for a week.
 
I'd say those who don't sing it are too ignorant to learn the words.
 
Is there a law against ANY sporting team members not singing the national anthem? Socceroos, Matildas, Wallabies, Boomers, etc? The hilarious thing is that the national Australian Rules team does not have a nickname because there is no such thing! No other country plays the game at the international level.

For all we know, the players involved could have been humming along or reciting the words in their heads!
Ha ha ha that’s what I used to do in church. Mum used to say “you’re not singing“ and I would say I am in my head lol
 
The Aussie Anthem should be sung everyday at a school assembly, like we used to sing God save our Queen, then maybe the children will remember the lines. And the Australia football players just don't know their National Anthem they just don't sing, which is a shame. Where you see other countries sing their Anthem with pride.
well my thinking is if you are playing for your State maybe they should start learning the National Anthem. For surely any player donning our green and gold should be so very proud thus proud to sing our anthem. I only watch cricket and was not impressed to see Alyssa Healy the Captain not singing I was not impressed. There again some of the men don’t sing either to me it’s so wrong, show pride in your selection and by representing your country.
 
Advance Australia Fair was written in 1878, but it wasn't proclaimed till 1984 to be the national anthem. Makes it 106 years old, and 50 years our anthem. Oh well the speaker is a thugby player, need I say more.
Kman.....think that makes it 40 years our Anthem then.:unsure:
 
My guess would be that most of them don't know the words.
While we are on the topic, how many of us know the words to the second verse?
I reckon our National anthem would be one of the shortest played at formal events.
Anyone know if schools teach the children all verses? I have them written down in the faint hope that one day, before I drop off the perch, someone will sing the whole thing, and I can sing along.
 
I have another question I quite often ask people around me.
If you had the power to pick a national anthem, what would you choose?
My choice .... I am Australian (by the Seekers). I love that song.
 
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Maybe Australia just needs a new national anthem. Something catchy and punchy, like a rock anthem. Something Aussies would not only remember but enjoy singing ... and indeed doing a funky choreographed dance to. Who said national anthems all have to be mournful and dreary anyway? Here's one I wrote 20 minutes ago with help from an Aussie bloke name Al (or maybe that was AI)! https://suno.com/song/7730b6ac-3086-4035-ab77-20b9e8568fe1 ... Yeah, Make Straya Great Again! (what's that lump in my cheek? Oh, all good, just my tongue)! :LOL:
I read it through, a lot better than the one we have at present about "letting us rejoice and being girt by sea"
 
I seem o remember many year ago a team of rugby player were touring and in New York some reporter opened his big mouth an d a challenge match was arranged, which the home lost evidenyly as a result of th strip they used.
 

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