New testimonies reveal Centrelink staff's frustrations over ignored concerns on 'dodgy' Robodebt system

The horror stories behind the infamous Robodebt scheme are still coming out of the woodwork, courtesy of a slew of public submissions by Centrelink employees—past and present.

Unveiled just days before the Royal Commission findings on Robodebt, the raw recollections portray a system that was 'dodgy' from the start.



For those unfamiliar with the term, Robodebt is shorthand for an automated system implemented near the middle of the last decade.

Active from 2015 to 2019, this automated method calculated welfare recipients' alleged debts by matching their reported pay with supposed yearly incomes. The scheme worked by averaging data from the Australian Taxation Office, distributing debt notices to over 443,000 welfare recipients.


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Centrelink staff and public servants who worked through the Robodebt period are 'still struggling' with the impact their work had on clients. Credit: Shutterstock.



However, according to several Centrelink employees, the system was flawed from the get-go. Gareth Mills, a former Services Australia employee, testified that the Robodebt experience had an impact profound enough to turn his once-rewarding job into a nightmare.

In his revelation, he expressed a gnawing frustration towards higher-ups, who allegedly seemed blind to issues arising from the scheme.

'Throughout my experience, I have felt a great sense of frustration that the people who had control of this scheme were missing the key point,' he said.

'The record shows that this scheme was not lawful. Workers undertaking this work had that view from the beginning and shared it with their managers.'



Staff members, aware of the flaws of the system they were expected to uphold, raised their concerns right up the ranks, only to have them fall on 'deaf ears'. If due to callous indifference or intentional wrongdoing, how these concerns were ignored remains to be determined.

Submissions by other long-term Centrelink workers reveal a chilling narrative of alienation.

Employees like Kaye Fagan, who was employed at a customer service centre from 2014 to 2018, recounted how staff were aware that the process behind Robodebt was 'illegal'. She said they were neither warned nor briefed about the new process as well. Ms Fagan eventually left her role following 22 years of dedicated service, no longer willing to be a part of an organisation that 'showed little respect for natural justice'.



Stephen Fuller, a dedicated public servant with experience in both the Department of Social Services and Centrelink, expressed his deep concern regarding the situation. With a commitment to upholding the 'highest standards', Fuller emphasised his disappointment in the way the Commonwealth Public Service has been utilised and managed.

'[It] has destroyed lives and severely diminished the reputation of the service upon which Australian democracy relies,' he said.

Andrea Therese Leck testified before the Royal Commission, recounting her employment with the department in July 2015. Her role involved undergoing training and overseeing the implementation of the Robodebt system, which launched merely two weeks after her training commenced.

During her testimony, Leck revealed that she and her colleagues repeatedly raised concerns about the legality and ethical implications of the process to the department's leadership. Unfortunately, their warnings went unheard, as no action was taken to address the issue.

'A few staff went to the union to advise what was going on, and then we found out there had been a client suicide due to the process,' she shared.

'I am still struggling with this.'


Credit: ABC News (Australia)


Julie Holmes, a dedicated employee across the Department of Social Services (DSS), Department of Human Services (DHS), and Centrelink for over two decades, put it into stark perspective.

'I resigned from work at the age of 55, at least five years before I had intended to,' she revealed, attributing her early departure to the stress of implementing Robodebt, a system she deemed from the get-go as 'legally dubious at best and completely illegal at worst'.

Key Takeaways

  • Centrelink staff and public servants have revealed they are still grappling with the impact of the 'Robodebt' system on their clients.
  • Many staff members claim they knew the system was problematic and attempted to raise their concerns with superiors, only for those concerns to go unheard.
  • Several individuals who took part in the Royal Commission into the system have come forward to share their submissions detailing the profound impact it had not only on themselves but also on their colleagues.
  • Some former employees indicated they left Centrelink due to the stress and dissatisfaction associated with implementing the 'Robodebt' system.

If you or someone you know is experiencing a crisis and requires immediate assistance, please dial triple zero (000) without delay. Another available option is to reach out to Lifeline at 13 11 14, as they offer their services round the clock, every day of the week.

While we are not medical professionals, we are always here to lend an ear. There are, however, several organisations that provide specialised support and education for people with mental illness and their families and carers throughout Australia.

Some of the main groups are listed here in this article.



Hopefully, the Commission's findings lead to reforms that make situations like Robodebt a thing of the past.

Here at the Seniors Discount Club, we empathise with all the individuals who have been victimised by the flaws in the Centrelink system—be they recipients or workers. It is our sincere wish that justice prevails for all those who have suffered the consequences of this unethical practice.

We are keen to hear your thoughts on this matter, so please take a moment to share your insights with us in the comments section below.
 
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Simple. Large-scale theft, a criminal activity, has occurred. Those responsible should be jailed. Prime Ministers are responsible for those they recommend to be appointed to Cabinet positions. So start with the leader at the top and work downwards. Oh, dammit; Prime Ministers do not do "responsibility" Sorry.

As for Centrelink! Start by nationalising it and then employ people who are not just bloody-minded bureaucrats and little Hitlers.

It is time that this miserable begrudging and very wealthy country brought in a government-guaranteed universal old aged pension on which people can live, starting at age 65.
 
Centrelink, THE most frustrating place to have to deal with. The number of times they have lost our paperwork we have lost count. Our son was caught up in the Robodebt scheme. He has been fully compensated now but he went through a terrible time, I believe at his lowest point he was close to suicide. It took its toll on us as well. To this day my husband gets anxiety about going to Centrelink.
 
The horror stories behind the infamous Robodebt scheme are still coming out of the woodwork, courtesy of a slew of public submissions by Centrelink employees—past and present.

Unveiled just days before the Royal Commission findings on Robodebt, the raw recollections portray a system that was 'dodgy' from the start.



For those unfamiliar with the term, Robodebt is shorthand for an automated system implemented near the middle of the last decade.

Active from 2015 to 2019, this automated method calculated welfare recipients' alleged debts by matching their reported pay with supposed yearly incomes. The scheme worked by averaging data from the Australian Taxation Office, distributing debt notices to over 443,000 welfare recipients.


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Centrelink staff and public servants who worked through the Robodebt period are 'still struggling' with the impact their work had on clients. Credit: Shutterstock.



However, according to several Centrelink employees, the system was flawed from the get-go. Gareth Mills, a former Services Australia employee, testified that the Robodebt experience had an impact profound enough to turn his once-rewarding job into a nightmare.

In his revelation, he expressed a gnawing frustration towards higher-ups, who allegedly seemed blind to issues arising from the scheme.

'Throughout my experience, I have felt a great sense of frustration that the people who had control of this scheme were missing the key point,' he said.

'The record shows that this scheme was not lawful. Workers undertaking this work had that view from the beginning and shared it with their managers.'



Staff members, aware of the flaws of the system they were expected to uphold, raised their concerns right up the ranks, only to have them fall on 'deaf ears'. If due to callous indifference or intentional wrongdoing, how these concerns were ignored remains to be determined.

Submissions by other long-term Centrelink workers reveal a chilling narrative of alienation.

Employees like Kaye Fagan, who was employed at a customer service centre from 2014 to 2018, recounted how staff were aware that the process behind Robodebt was 'illegal'. She said they were neither warned nor briefed about the new process as well. Ms Fagan eventually left her role following 22 years of dedicated service, no longer willing to be a part of an organisation that 'showed little respect for natural justice'.



Stephen Fuller, a dedicated public servant with experience in both the Department of Social Services and Centrelink, expressed his deep concern regarding the situation. With a commitment to upholding the 'highest standards', Fuller emphasised his disappointment in the way the Commonwealth Public Service has been utilised and managed.

'[It] has destroyed lives and severely diminished the reputation of the service upon which Australian democracy relies,' he said.

Andrea Therese Leck testified before the Royal Commission, recounting her employment with the department in July 2015. Her role involved undergoing training and overseeing the implementation of the Robodebt system, which launched merely two weeks after her training commenced.

During her testimony, Leck revealed that she and her colleagues repeatedly raised concerns about the legality and ethical implications of the process to the department's leadership. Unfortunately, their warnings went unheard, as no action was taken to address the issue.

'A few staff went to the union to advise what was going on, and then we found out there had been a client suicide due to the process,' she shared.

'I am still struggling with this.'


Credit: ABC News (Australia)


Julie Holmes, a dedicated employee across the Department of Social Services (DSS), Department of Human Services (DHS), and Centrelink for over two decades, put it into stark perspective.

'I resigned from work at the age of 55, at least five years before I had intended to,' she revealed, attributing her early departure to the stress of implementing Robodebt, a system she deemed from the get-go as 'legally dubious at best and completely illegal at worst'.

Key Takeaways

  • Centrelink staff and public servants have revealed they are still grappling with the impact of the 'Robodebt' system on their clients.
  • Many staff members claim they knew the system was problematic and attempted to raise their concerns with superiors, only for those concerns to go unheard.
  • Several individuals who took part in the Royal Commission into the system have come forward to share their submissions detailing the profound impact it had not only on themselves but also on their colleagues.
  • Some former employees indicated they left Centrelink due to the stress and dissatisfaction associated with implementing the 'Robodebt' system.

If you or someone you know is experiencing a crisis and requires immediate assistance, please dial triple zero (000) without delay. Another available option is to reach out to Lifeline at 13 11 14, as they offer their services round the clock, every day of the week.

While we are not medical professionals, we are always here to lend an ear. There are, however, several organisations that provide specialised support and education for people with mental illness and their families and carers throughout Australia.

Some of the main groups are listed here in this article.



Hopefully, the Commission's findings lead to reforms that make situations like Robodebt a thing of the past.

Here at the Seniors Discount Club, we empathise with all the individuals who have been victimised by the flaws in the Centrelink system—be they recipients or workers. It is our sincere wish that justice prevails for all those who have suffered the consequences of this unethical practice.

We are keen to hear your thoughts on this matter, so please take a moment to share your insights with us in the comments section below.

A lot of replies are bagging Centrelink for treating people as though they are trying to rip off the agency. I found exactly the opposite. I had the misfortune to need the dole for a few months. I had to jump through a few hoops but rightly so. When i got a job i tried to stop the payments, i couldn't! The change of circumstances form was all about giving extra payments. Nowhere on the form was the simple sentence "I am gainfully employed". I saved all the extra payments as i knew they would eventually be demanded back. In fact, everything i had been given was demanded back. They also helped me plan for retirement, letting me know how much i could hold in the bank, that i shouldn't give money away etc. Very helpful.
 
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And they never give an apology! - even though you where correct - they are trained to not re-act or respond - encompassed in this is: we are not centrelink customers as in human beings - we are seen as a $ sign, in the fact they feel they are giving us their money! They do not give information freely to assist a person when they are unsure - in some cases they do not give an answer, but then advise to go online!_!or make a call!!
Unfortunately if an employee shows empathy with you and laments your position you could then sue the agency claiming that a representative of the agency TOLD you that you had been shafted.
 
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The workers state that they went to there bosses but where unheard (that is definitely nothing new & fearing the loss of a persons job if they speak out) some bosses work from their position of status and ego, combined with power and control, the person who does all the work, will do so without having a say or complaint - (there is always someone higher to go too-this includes the ombudsman, workplace relations, seeking legal advice as a group of concerned workers, (gov't workers have the information of where they can turn too for any workplace issue) as much as i do not have any respect for the media-make a call and they would get it out there) instead of continuing to perform a role that they where aware was not legal & damaging the recipients that receive the c/link payment about a debt that needs to be re-paid, a debt a person may not even owe. Some left there jobs, but are only speaking out now! Instead it seems most continued working - receiving there fortnightly pay, feeling powerless, - & now all parties involved in the robodebt scheme are running in every direction possible to try and get away from their involvement - The client was made to feel like they where a liar, guilty, and where required to prove their innocence. They received The Debt Letter from C/link stating they owed this amount of monies. Everyone who was involved & worked in this area of robodebt particularly the ones @ the top who implemented it, should be held responsible at the level of there involvement.
People have died - there is no coming back for these people and there families are left to deal with the shattering, traumatising effects of firstly how it impacted their loved ones when they received the letter, the long term stress and worry, to then feeling there was no way out, & to then the profound devastating loss over a C/link Debt! The Ato needs to be answerable as well-in the article it says "the scheme worked by averaging data from the ATO, to then distribute debt notices to 443,000 welfare recipients" how did the Ato think this illegal scheme was something they thought was okay to be involved in? Both depts have always worked together. I truly hope the devastated families can finally see some justice and have some type of closure so they can have the space to finally grieve their loss. And may something like this scheme never ever be allowed to happen again.
 
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Unfortunately if an employee shows empathy with you and laments your position you could then sue the agency claiming that a representative of the agency TOLD you that you had been shafted.
That is a true statement - but then they would want proof - Hearsay would not cut it!:_)
 
All that happened to me with Centrelink saying I owed them $9,000 after I shifted to a Unit was extremely stressful. I couldn't prove then whether or not I owed them this money, so just paid it, and over nearly 3 years later I am now granted a full pension. During that time they put up my payments several times, which only added to the stress. I'm a Pensioner, 76 years old now, and as a Widow live alone.
You should still contact the ombudsman or the seniors advocacy service, as well as a community law centre in your area of living, as you may be entitled to get that money re-imbursed. They have taken the fact that you will pay them as an admission of guilt-without you being able to give them the facts & evidence - that in itself should be an illegal act. To then have the re-payments put up several times - adding to your stress and financial hardship of living is something that you need to advise the ombudsman or law centre, if this is something that you feel you can address now-all the best.
 
When i make an error of any description i speak and apologise to all concerned.. tine that is long overdue for politicians to remember they are employed by the people of the land and they should be held accountable for their dishonesty, errors and not being accountable and for their oversights.. whatever!!! Just own up and stop being deceitful... the rare jem who is the opposite of the above descriptions i honour you and an grateful for your dedication to the role you hold as a chosen representative of the people... or in the field you have chosen whereby you can assist humanity to rose higher and higher in their lives.. without favouritism or accepting guilting as a means for right action in roles. 😊
 
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Yes, Centrelink staff treat most applicants like criminals trying to rip off the system, I think they forget that their wages are paid by the taxpayer and when aged people apply they are entitled to an age pension after 50 odd years of paying tax.
 
Centrelink, THE most frustrating place to have to deal with. The number of times they have lost our paperwork we have lost count. Our son was caught up in the Robodebt scheme. He has been fully compensated now but he went through a terrible time, I believe at his lowest point he was close to suicide. It took its toll on us as well. To this day my husband gets anxiety about going to Centrelink.
What a more than horrible experience for your son and all of you to have had to go thru - and he should have been fully compensated - the inquiry had left C/link needing to pay back many recipients and rightly so! I do hope you are all doing well now - there are many people who are entitled to C/Link that will not even apply due to the stress and anxiety of it all, with the application - i have to wonder if this is a money saving strategy - lets hope they never find themselves in the same situation. Plse treat people with the same courteous manner c/link, the same manner that you say you would like to be treated.
 
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This was a terrible scheme and I sympathise with everyone that was wrongly caught up in it.
However I do wonder how many actual cheats did it also catch ? Just saying.
 
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Mr Smug Morrison should face legal action, and be held accountable for his actions, but as usual he will blame everyone else.
Yeah he will (not my job)thank goodness he's gone . Just to clarify I am neither a Labour or Liberal voter I vote for who I think will do the best job and as years go by it's getting harder and harder to pick
 
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All I can say about this horrendous scheme and complete disregard fir human welfare is that every single politician and public servant involved in its illegal implementation, "management" and imposition on unsuspecting individuals should be prosecuted to the nth degree in the criminal courts and every single one if them MUST be fired and kicked out with no pensions, golden handshakes. NOTHING! THEY ARE NOT FIT TO RUN OUR COUNTRY.
They belong in gaol
Dutton on tonights news stood up for Morrison and had no empathy for victims . A very sad event in our history .:mad::mad::devilish::poop:
 
The workers state that they went to there bosses but where unheard (that is definitely nothing new & fearing the loss of a persons job if they speak out) some bosses work from their position of status and ego, combined with power and control, the person who does all the work, will do so without having a say or complaint - (there is always someone higher to go too-this includes the ombudsman, workplace relations, seeking legal advice as a group of concerned workers, (gov't workers have the information of where they can turn too for any workplace issue) as much as i do not have any respect for the media-make a call and they would get it out there) instead of continuing to perform a role that they where aware was not legal & damaging the recipients that receive the c/link payment about a debt that needs to be re-paid, a debt a person may not even owe. Some left there jobs, but are only speaking out now! Instead it seems most continued working - receiving there fortnightly pay, feeling powerless, - & now all parties involved in the robodebt scheme are running in every direction possible to try and get away from their involvement - The client was made to feel like they where a liar, guilty, and where required to prove their innocence. They received The Debt Letter from C/link stating they owed this amount of monies. Everyone who was involved & worked in this area of robodebt particularly the ones @ the top who implemented it, should be held responsible at the level of there involvement.
People have died - there is no coming back for these people and there families are left to deal with the shattering, traumatising effects of firstly how it impacted their loved ones when they received the letter, the long term stress and worry, to then feeling there was no way out, & to then the profound devastating loss over a C/link Debt! The Ato needs to be answerable as well-in the article it says "the scheme worked by averaging data from the ATO, to then distribute debt notices to 443,000 welfare recipients" how did the Ato think this illegal scheme was something they thought was okay to be involved in? Both depts have always worked together. I truly hope the devastated families can finally see some justice and have some type of closure so they can have the space to finally grieve their loss. And may something like this scheme never ever be allowed to happen again.
It is usual for Centrelink to access tax return data. This has been the case for a long time. The ATO had nothing to do with the scheme. The ATO told Centrelink that the scheme was wrong and a $1M report from a large accounting firm also told them that the scheme was wrong but the report was shelved. The department heads at Centrelink are being referred for civil and criminal prosecution. I read that 20 people are being referred for prosecution.
 
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I sympathize deeply and acknowledge the role of the Morrison Government, but let us never forget that the scheme was the brain child of Labor politicians, including Bill Shorten. Had the LNP not won an election, it may well have still been implemented. We will never know. But we should hold the architects of the scheme and their party equally accountable. Let's not make it a political football.
Are you for real 😳
 
"Only obeying orders" was deemed an unacceptable defence at the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials in the late 1940s. That principle should hold now about the Robodebt scandal. It applies to Public Servants as much as anyone else.
 
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The horror stories behind the infamous Robodebt scheme are still coming out of the woodwork, courtesy of a slew of public submissions by Centrelink employees—past and present.

Unveiled just days before the Royal Commission findings on Robodebt, the raw recollections portray a system that was 'dodgy' from the start.



For those unfamiliar with the term, Robodebt is shorthand for an automated system implemented near the middle of the last decade.

Active from 2015 to 2019, this automated method calculated welfare recipients' alleged debts by matching their reported pay with supposed yearly incomes. The scheme worked by averaging data from the Australian Taxation Office, distributing debt notices to over 443,000 welfare recipients.


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Centrelink staff and public servants who worked through the Robodebt period are 'still struggling' with the impact their work had on clients. Credit: Shutterstock.



However, according to several Centrelink employees, the system was flawed from the get-go. Gareth Mills, a former Services Australia employee, testified that the Robodebt experience had an impact profound enough to turn his once-rewarding job into a nightmare.

In his revelation, he expressed a gnawing frustration towards higher-ups, who allegedly seemed blind to issues arising from the scheme.

'Throughout my experience, I have felt a great sense of frustration that the people who had control of this scheme were missing the key point,' he said.

'The record shows that this scheme was not lawful. Workers undertaking this work had that view from the beginning and shared it with their managers.'



Staff members, aware of the flaws of the system they were expected to uphold, raised their concerns right up the ranks, only to have them fall on 'deaf ears'. If due to callous indifference or intentional wrongdoing, how these concerns were ignored remains to be determined.

Submissions by other long-term Centrelink workers reveal a chilling narrative of alienation.

Employees like Kaye Fagan, who was employed at a customer service centre from 2014 to 2018, recounted how staff were aware that the process behind Robodebt was 'illegal'. She said they were neither warned nor briefed about the new process as well. Ms Fagan eventually left her role following 22 years of dedicated service, no longer willing to be a part of an organisation that 'showed little respect for natural justice'.



Stephen Fuller, a dedicated public servant with experience in both the Department of Social Services and Centrelink, expressed his deep concern regarding the situation. With a commitment to upholding the 'highest standards', Fuller emphasised his disappointment in the way the Commonwealth Public Service has been utilised and managed.

'[It] has destroyed lives and severely diminished the reputation of the service upon which Australian democracy relies,' he said.

Andrea Therese Leck testified before the Royal Commission, recounting her employment with the department in July 2015. Her role involved undergoing training and overseeing the implementation of the Robodebt system, which launched merely two weeks after her training commenced.

During her testimony, Leck revealed that she and her colleagues repeatedly raised concerns about the legality and ethical implications of the process to the department's leadership. Unfortunately, their warnings went unheard, as no action was taken to address the issue.

'A few staff went to the union to advise what was going on, and then we found out there had been a client suicide due to the process,' she shared.

'I am still struggling with this.'


Credit: ABC News (Australia)


Julie Holmes, a dedicated employee across the Department of Social Services (DSS), Department of Human Services (DHS), and Centrelink for over two decades, put it into stark perspective.

'I resigned from work at the age of 55, at least five years before I had intended to,' she revealed, attributing her early departure to the stress of implementing Robodebt, a system she deemed from the get-go as 'legally dubious at best and completely illegal at worst'.

Key Takeaways

  • Centrelink staff and public servants have revealed they are still grappling with the impact of the 'Robodebt' system on their clients.
  • Many staff members claim they knew the system was problematic and attempted to raise their concerns with superiors, only for those concerns to go unheard.
  • Several individuals who took part in the Royal Commission into the system have come forward to share their submissions detailing the profound impact it had not only on themselves but also on their colleagues.
  • Some former employees indicated they left Centrelink due to the stress and dissatisfaction associated with implementing the 'Robodebt' system.

If you or someone you know is experiencing a crisis and requires immediate assistance, please dial triple zero (000) without delay. Another available option is to reach out to Lifeline at 13 11 14, as they offer their services round the clock, every day of the week.

While we are not medical professionals, we are always here to lend an ear. There are, however, several organisations that provide specialised support and education for people with mental illness and their families and carers throughout Australia.

Some of the main groups are listed here in this article.



Hopefully, the Commission's findings lead to reforms that make situations like Robodebt a thing of the past.

Here at the Seniors Discount Club, we empathise with all the individuals who have been victimised by the flaws in the Centrelink system—be they recipients or workers. It is our sincere wish that justice prevails for all those who have suffered the consequences of this unethical practice.

We are keen to hear your thoughts on this matter, so please take a moment to share your insights with us in the comments section below.

All I can say is when this hits the courts the magistrate give the appropriate sentences to the people involved from the Centrelink hierarchy and ministers from the Liberal government including Morrison are dealt with appropriately charges and jail term's for all Australians died because off these bureaucrats so I hope appropriate compensation to all I know this will not ease the pain but they must pay for this cruel system 😢
 
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It is usual for Centrelink to access tax return data. This has been the case for a long time. The ATO had nothing to do with the scheme. The ATO told Centrelink that the scheme was wrong and a $1M report from a large accounting firm also told them that the scheme was wrong but the report was shelved. The department heads at Centrelink are being referred for civil and criminal prosecution. I read that 20 people are being referred for prosecution.
Thanks for clarifying that - i was wondering about that, i'm happy to hear that the ATO also advised C/Link that the scheme was wrong! - and the accounting firms report - c/link should have listened, as now the monies they so smartly thought they where going to get back - is in actual fact costing taxpayers so much more! what a complete waste of time & money, but more than any of that are the lives lost and the people that have suffered because of the robodebt scheme.
 

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