[The Conversation]

Being declared dead when you’re still alive – why these very rare events occur​

An 82-year-old woman who was recently pronounced dead at a New York nursing home was later discovered to be alive by funeral home staff. This follows a similar incident in Iowa where a 66-year-old woman with early-onset dementia was declared dead by a nurse, only to be found gasping for air when funeral home staff unzipped the body bag.

Fortunately, these events are very rare. But fear of them is visceral, which might explain an old naval custom. When sewing the canvas shroud for a dead sailor, the sailmaker would take the last stitch through the nose of the deceased. Having a sailcloth needle through the nose was presumed to be a potent enough stimulus to wake any sailor who was actually still alive.

Confirmation of death these days is thankfully a lot less brutal.

An absence of heart and breath sounds over a period of time, the presence of fixed, dilated pupils, and a failure to respond to any stimulus should mean that the person is deceased. All doctors are taught how to do this and all are aware of their duties.

Unfortunately, there have been instances where death has been confirmed by this process, yet the patient has shown signs of life afterwards.

Over the years, I have seen this happen. One day in a hospital, a colleague pronounced an elderly woman dead, but a short while later, she started breathing again and her pulse was briefly restored.

In another unforgettable incident, the medical emergency team was summoned with the words: “Cardiac arrest. Mortuary. This is not a joke!” A woman had taken an overdose of barbiturates prescribed for her epilepsy. She had been seen by a general practitioner who certified that she was dead.

But on arrival at the mortuary, one of her legs was seen to be twitching. Excruciating embarrassment all round. And if I recall correctly, she recovered.

Failure to perform the confirmation-of-death procedure properly explains some instances of people being incorrectly declared dead. A cursory examination while distracted could easily lead to a failure to hear heart sounds and spot shallow, infrequent breaths. It pays to be thorough. However, some drugs we give patients can make the task harder.

Drugs, toxins and cold water​

Sedating drugs are thought in some way to protect the brain from damage and this is made use of in anaesthesia for major surgical procedures, particularly if it is necessary to stop the circulation for a time.

Less usefully, and with the potential to cause alarm, an overdose of sedatives reduces responsiveness and depresses the breathing and circulation, leading to the impression of death while protecting the brain from hypoxia (oxygen starvation). Later on, as the drug is cleared from the body, the person may wake up.

Diazepam (brand name Valium), alprazolam (brand name Xanax) have both caused people to mistakenly be declared dead.

Certain toxins may have a similar effect. Voodoo practitioners called Bokors apparently administered powders to victims to make them seem dead. These powders reportedly contained small doses of tetrodotoxin from puffer fish to paralyse the victim, who was then presumably abducted before burial and enslaved. Could neurological damage from the “zombification” process account for the popular image of the zombie?

Toxins from the puffer fish might be used to create zombies. Aries Sutanto/Shutterstock​

Immersion in cold water can also lead to the illusion of death because of its effect on slowing the heart rate. Survival after considerable periods of time in the water is well documented.

In emergency medicine, it has long been taught that a drowned patient is not proven dead until they have been warmed up. Good neurological recovery has been reported after periods of cold water immersion of up to 70 minutes

Fainting might also deceive the certifying doctor. Activation of the vagus nerve (the longest cranial nerve in the body) occurs during fainting, slowing the heart and reducing blood pressure.

This might account for a very sad case reported from Honduras. A pregnant teenager was thought to have died from shock after hearing gunfire in her neighbourhood. She was heard screaming within her tomb a day after her funeral. It is quite possible that she had woken up after a prolonged faint.

Many cases seem to originate outside of Europe. Geographical variation in medical confirmation of death procedure may explain this. Perhaps errors arise when people are less likely to be able to afford the costs of a doctor.

Whatever the cause, these cases appear in the media because they are sensational and attract lurid attention, but ultimately they are very rare.

This article was first published on The Conversation, and was written by Stephen Hughes, Senior Lecturer in Medicine, Anglia Ruskin University

 

[Thecheesequeen]

This is the stuff of nightmares!

 

[Fat&fancy]

Being declared dead when you’re still alive – why these very rare events occur​

An 82-year-old woman who was recently pronounced dead at a New York nursing home was later discovered to be alive by funeral home staff. This follows a similar incident in Iowa where a 66-year-old woman with early-onset dementia was declared dead by a nurse, only to be found gasping for air when funeral home staff unzipped the body bag.

Fortunately, these events are very rare. But fear of them is visceral, which might explain an old naval custom. When sewing the canvas shroud for a dead sailor, the sailmaker would take the last stitch through the nose of the deceased. Having a sailcloth needle through the nose was presumed to be a potent enough stimulus to wake any sailor who was actually still alive.

Confirmation of death these days is thankfully a lot less brutal.

An absence of heart and breath sounds over a period of time, the presence of fixed, dilated pupils, and a failure to respond to any stimulus should mean that the person is deceased. All doctors are taught how to do this and all are aware of their duties.

Unfortunately, there have been instances where death has been confirmed by this process, yet the patient has shown signs of life afterwards.

Over the years, I have seen this happen. One day in a hospital, a colleague pronounced an elderly woman dead, but a short while later, she started breathing again and her pulse was briefly restored.

In another unforgettable incident, the medical emergency team was summoned with the words: “Cardiac arrest. Mortuary. This is not a joke!” A woman had taken an overdose of barbiturates prescribed for her epilepsy. She had been seen by a general practitioner who certified that she was dead.

But on arrival at the mortuary, one of her legs was seen to be twitching. Excruciating embarrassment all round. And if I recall correctly, she recovered.

Failure to perform the confirmation-of-death procedure properly explains some instances of people being incorrectly declared dead. A cursory examination while distracted could easily lead to a failure to hear heart sounds and spot shallow, infrequent breaths. It pays to be thorough. However, some drugs we give patients can make the task harder.

Drugs, toxins and cold water​

Sedating drugs are thought in some way to protect the brain from damage and this is made use of in anaesthesia for major surgical procedures, particularly if it is necessary to stop the circulation for a time.

Less usefully, and with the potential to cause alarm, an overdose of sedatives reduces responsiveness and depresses the breathing and circulation, leading to the impression of death while protecting the brain from hypoxia (oxygen starvation). Later on, as the drug is cleared from the body, the person may wake up.

Diazepam (brand name Valium), alprazolam (brand name Xanax) have both caused people to mistakenly be declared dead.

Certain toxins may have a similar effect. Voodoo practitioners called Bokors apparently administered powders to victims to make them seem dead. These powders reportedly contained small doses of tetrodotoxin from puffer fish to paralyse the victim, who was then presumably abducted before burial and enslaved. Could neurological damage from the “zombification” process account for the popular image of the zombie?

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Toxins from the puffer fish might be used to create zombies. Aries Sutanto/Shutterstock​

Immersion in cold water can also lead to the illusion of death because of its effect on slowing the heart rate. Survival after considerable periods of time in the water is well documented.

In emergency medicine, it has long been taught that a drowned patient is not proven dead until they have been warmed up. Good neurological recovery has been reported after periods of cold water immersion of up to 70 minutes

Fainting might also deceive the certifying doctor. Activation of the vagus nerve (the longest cranial nerve in the body) occurs during fainting, slowing the heart and reducing blood pressure.

This might account for a very sad case reported from Honduras. A pregnant teenager was thought to have died from shock after hearing gunfire in her neighbourhood. She was heard screaming within her tomb a day after her funeral. It is quite possible that she had woken up after a prolonged faint.

Many cases seem to originate outside of Europe. Geographical variation in medical confirmation of death procedure may explain this. Perhaps errors arise when people are less likely to be able to afford the costs of a doctor.

Whatever the cause, these cases appear in the media because they are sensational and attract lurid attention, but ultimately they are very rare.

This article was first published on The Conversation, and was written by Stephen Hughes, Senior Lecturer in Medicine, Anglia Ruskin University

Don't know about anyone else but I'd rather not read stuff like this!! one of my biggest fears is being buried alive!!!! TRIGGERED!!!!

 

[Kelpie]

Don't know about anyone else but I'd rather not read stuff like this!! one of my biggest fears is being buried alive!!!! TRIGGERED!!!!

Couldn't agree with you more. But the reality is that it is a fact that, rare as it might be, these thing can happen.

 

[Greg Gin]

Narcolepsy is another cause of patients being pronounced dead but are in fact in a deep coma like state which they can wake up from hours later! It is a medical condition that a small number of people in the world suffer from but it obviously can have far reaching and may be disastrous consequences.

Cheers, Greg Gin.

 

[Groovy]

Do you know that people with pacemakers, may seem alive, due to the activity of the devise? Like, the impulse can trigger the heart and the person moves.
I have a pacemaker inserted and I was told, to tell my family to make sure, the doctors switch it off when I die. It’s not a joke, that’s real.

 

[Suzanne rose]

I've had a fear of being alive but appearing dead after watching a movie when I was very young about a man being buried alive when he appeared dead.

I recently watched a serious , strange but true and one story was about a young man who had small pox and everyone thought he was dead. It was set in America's West .
As the Hearst or Horse n cart went by a woman was convinced she heard a cry from the coffin.
She notified the sheriff and they went to the grave yard to see that they had just buried him. The sheriff ordered for them to dig him up . They too heard by this time occasional moans , the doctor also witnessed this but couldn't find a heart beat. They took Jim to the hospital but hours later said he was dead.
What was the scream the woman heard and the sift moans.
What they said was he had a kind of paralysis, he was buried and knew what was happening and managed to scream but then for the short time he was buried this finished him off.

A really scary and unnerving topic

 

[Vet543]

Don't know about anyone else but I'd rather not read stuff like this!! one of my biggest fears is being buried alive!!!! TRIGGERED!!!!

We should go back to 1829, when Dr Johann Taberger designed a coffin with a bell above ground to alert the cemetry night watch . The rope was attached to the corpse's Head, Arms and Legs. and if either of them moved, if would ring the bell .. So began the saying "Saved By The Bell" ... Not like yesteryears, who buried corpses the day after their passing to prevent decaying smells, we are now buried sometime more than a week later, also often days after passing the body is viewed by distant relatives arriving for the funeral.

 

[MHM]

Being declared dead when you’re still alive – why these very rare events occur​

An 82-year-old woman who was recently pronounced dead at a New York nursing home was later discovered to be alive by funeral home staff. This follows a similar incident in Iowa where a 66-year-old woman with early-onset dementia was declared dead by a nurse, only to be found gasping for air when funeral home staff unzipped the body bag.

Fortunately, these events are very rare. But fear of them is visceral, which might explain an old naval custom. When sewing the canvas shroud for a dead sailor, the sailmaker would take the last stitch through the nose of the deceased. Having a sailcloth needle through the nose was presumed to be a potent enough stimulus to wake any sailor who was actually still alive.

Confirmation of death these days is thankfully a lot less brutal.

An absence of heart and breath sounds over a period of time, the presence of fixed, dilated pupils, and a failure to respond to any stimulus should mean that the person is deceased. All doctors are taught how to do this and all are aware of their duties.

Unfortunately, there have been instances where death has been confirmed by this process, yet the patient has shown signs of life afterwards.

Over the years, I have seen this happen. One day in a hospital, a colleague pronounced an elderly woman dead, but a short while later, she started breathing again and her pulse was briefly restored.

In another unforgettable incident, the medical emergency team was summoned with the words: “Cardiac arrest. Mortuary. This is not a joke!” A woman had taken an overdose of barbiturates prescribed for her epilepsy. She had been seen by a general practitioner who certified that she was dead.

But on arrival at the mortuary, one of her legs was seen to be twitching. Excruciating embarrassment all round. And if I recall correctly, she recovered.

Failure to perform the confirmation-of-death procedure properly explains some instances of people being incorrectly declared dead. A cursory examination while distracted could easily lead to a failure to hear heart sounds and spot shallow, infrequent breaths. It pays to be thorough. However, some drugs we give patients can make the task harder.

Drugs, toxins and cold water​

Sedating drugs are thought in some way to protect the brain from damage and this is made use of in anaesthesia for major surgical procedures, particularly if it is necessary to stop the circulation for a time.

Less usefully, and with the potential to cause alarm, an overdose of sedatives reduces responsiveness and depresses the breathing and circulation, leading to the impression of death while protecting the brain from hypoxia (oxygen starvation). Later on, as the drug is cleared from the body, the person may wake up.

Diazepam (brand name Valium), alprazolam (brand name Xanax) have both caused people to mistakenly be declared dead.

Certain toxins may have a similar effect. Voodoo practitioners called Bokors apparently administered powders to victims to make them seem dead. These powders reportedly contained small doses of tetrodotoxin from puffer fish to paralyse the victim, who was then presumably abducted before burial and enslaved. Could neurological damage from the “zombification” process account for the popular image of the zombie?

View attachment 13835
Toxins from the puffer fish might be used to create zombies. Aries Sutanto/Shutterstock​

Immersion in cold water can also lead to the illusion of death because of its effect on slowing the heart rate. Survival after considerable periods of time in the water is well documented.

In emergency medicine, it has long been taught that a drowned patient is not proven dead until they have been warmed up. Good neurological recovery has been reported after periods of cold water immersion of up to 70 minutes

Fainting might also deceive the certifying doctor. Activation of the vagus nerve (the longest cranial nerve in the body) occurs during fainting, slowing the heart and reducing blood pressure.

This might account for a very sad case reported from Honduras. A pregnant teenager was thought to have died from shock after hearing gunfire in her neighbourhood. She was heard screaming within her tomb a day after her funeral. It is quite possible that she had woken up after a prolonged faint.

Many cases seem to originate outside of Europe. Geographical variation in medical confirmation of death procedure may explain this. Perhaps errors arise when people are less likely to be able to afford the costs of a doctor.

Whatever the cause, these cases appear in the media because they are sensational and attract lurid attention, but ultimately they are very rare.

This article was first published on The Conversation, and was written by Stephen Hughes, Senior Lecturer in Medicine, Anglia Ruskin University

The article could well have been entitled "One Day in America", or "Only in America". Perhaps readers should be forewarned in the title of the article that it contains references to remarkable events which happened in America, so as to avoid Australian readers becoming distressed at the potential content.

 

[Kelpie]

Do you know that people with pacemakers, may seem alive, due to the activity of the devise? Like, the impulse can trigger the heart and the person moves.
I have a pacemaker inserted and I was told, to tell my family to make sure, the doctors switch it off when I die. It’s not a joke, that’s real.

That's news to me.