Ambulance union raises response time concerns after man's death at Sellicks Hill

Concerns about ambulance ramping and resourcing have been raised by the state's ambulance union in the wake of the death of a man involved in a car crash at Sellicks Hill, south of Adelaide, on Saturday morning.

The Ambulance Employees Association (AEA) said it took 17 minutes for an ambulance crew to arrive at the scene of the category one case — which in metropolitan areas would require a response within eight minutes in 60 per cent of cases.


Health Minister Chris Picton said the patient was "outside the Adelaide metropolitan area".

South Australia's Ambulance Service (SAAS) chief executive Rob Elliott said the patient was seen as soon as possible "on our most urgent priority", with multiple resources sent to the scene


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An ambulance took about 17 minutes to arrive at the priority one case at Sellicks Hill on Saturday morning. (ABC News: Che Chorley)


He said it was "not very sensible" to aim for an eight minute response time in regional areas where towns could be sparsely located and that SAAS instead endeavoured to "make sure that we have good regional coverage, good access to resources".

He extended his sympathy to the man's family, and praised the "extraordinary" efforts of the bystanders and paramedics who attended the scene.

AEA general secretary Paul Ekkelboom said the case was initially triaged as a category two but within two minutes was upgraded to a category one case where "every minute counts".


He said the "number one thing" affecting ambulance response times was available crews.

"When we don't have crews sitting on station or actively free to respond then it's going to be a delay to get a crew to respond to a patient," he said.

"When they're stuck on a ramp, then obviously we can't free them up to respond to the community.


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SA Ambulance Employees Association general secretary Paul Ekkelboom said bystanders did their best to help the man before paramedics arrived. (ABC News)


"The real effect is obviously when we can't get to our patients in time to administer life-saving care."

When asked if the man in this case would have survived if the ambulance response time was faster, Mr Ekkelboom said he was "unsure" but added that he did not have all the patient's medical history.

"What we do know is if we can get there in a timely fashion, oxygenate the brain, and keep that blood pumping and give them the life-saving care that [is] needed, there's a good opportunity that we might be able to get a favourable outcome," he said.


He said bystanders at the scene did their best to help while awaiting the arrival of paramedics.

While he said demand on the health system was high, Mr Ekkelboom acknowledged the government had planned to open more beds later in the year.

"I don't want to see another patient in the community experience what unfortunately happened to that gentleman over the weekend," he said.


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Health Minister Chris Picton said the incident occurred outside the Adelaide metropolitan area. (ABC News)


Crews did 'everything they could' to arrive​

Mr Picton said at the time, the ambulance from the closest station "was at another job in the community, assisting someone else".

"Our crews did everything they could to get to that case as soon as possible," he said.

Mr Picton said that because the case occurred outside the metropolitan area, the eight minute response time goal applicable to metropolitan areas did not apply.


When asked, he said ramping did not play a role in this case "based on the regional location".

Last month's ramping numbers were the second highest on record, with ambulances spending 5,387 hours waiting.

Mr Picton said the state's health system — including the ambulance service — was currently dealing with the highest number of influenza cases in the state for the past decade.

He said while 2,000 influenza cases had been recorded in the past week, the numbers were "vastly underestimated" because not everyone with the flu had a PCR test.

"Our health system is under pressure, we know that the flu numbers are up, we know that admissions to hospitals are significantly up, but our doctors, nurses and ambos are working as hard as they can — particularly to see the most urgent cases — to make sure that people can get the care that they need," he said.
 

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It would help the ambulance ramping and availability to reach a patient in REAL need, if people would not rely on an ambulance to receive emergency treatment for simple things like feeling unwell, runny nose, kicked my toe on the door....the list goes on. These patients need to visit a Dr, NOT call an Ambo for hospital. Inconsiderate people risk the lives of the more serious patients in need of life saving treatment. Is there not a means in place of filtering these people out when they make the 000 call for an ambulance.
 
The main problem is immigration and the Government letting everyone into Australia in mass numbers from everywhere (India in particular). This is clogging up our Health system, the roads, infrastructure, housing, rentals, etc, etc. Immigration should either be capped more or stopped completely as we cannot support this ever growing population and things will just get worse with the more people they let into our country.
 
When an emergency call is made, surely the operator has to get brief details of the situation before an ambulance is sent out. That would “weed out” the unnecessary calls.
This particular case appears to have been very difficult from the start. I have called for an ambulance for various people at various times. The list of questions to be answered was very comprehensive and relevant, and the advice received has always been helpful.
 
Who did you piss off this time Veggie? 😊😊🎉
An ice fuelled freak smashing every window, piece of gyprock, two ovens, a shower screen and a washing machine in a two hour rampage at where I used to live in Dandenong.

Was I scared? Not really. More worried about not being able to do my laundry the next day!
 
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An ice fuelled freak smashing every window, piece of gyprock, two ovens, a shower screen and a washing machine in a two hour rampage at where I used to live in Dandenong.

Was I scared? Not really. More worried about not being able to do my laundry the next day!
Personally I'd give them an OD? No time for addicts.
 
I can only speak for the Wollongong, NSW area. A couple of years ago whilst walking my dog, we experienced a major unexpected rainstorm. I slipped on a concrete driveway, which caused me to twist my left foot, which had twisted to the left through 90 degrees, and which resulted in a double fracture requiring two titanium plates, twelve pins, and screws. I sat for a few minutes with my faithful dog, who cuddled up to me on the side of the road in the pouring rain. After composing myself, I dialled 000, and they asked me a few questions about the nature of the emergency and where I was. It only took about five minutes for the paramedics to arrive, get me on a stretcher, pick up my panicking pooch, and then take me to the hospital, delivering my dog home on the way. Our guys are incredible.
 
When, oh when, will the politicians wake up to the fact the "number one' cause of delayed/slow ambulance response is the shortage of emergency facilities (including staff) and beds in hospitals!
The shortage of facilities in the hospitals leads to ambulance ramping.
Ambulance ramping means ambulance crews are tied up at the hospital, caring for patients waiting to be seen.

To fix the ambulance ramping situation, politicians need to fix the bottleneck. If there wasn't such a high percentage of ambulances ramped at emergency centers at any given time, there would be enough ambulances and crews available to respond to emergency calls within a rational time frame. Concentrate on getting more Accident and Emergency Centers - bricks, mortar, equipment and staff. To get more staff, pay all nurses and doctors a decent wage commensurate with their experience and abilities.
I've known several nurses who have chosen to work as veterinary nurses and kennel staff rather than work in hospitals because, and I quote "Better wages and conditions".
Veterinary nursing is a poorly paid, under-appreciated dead-end job.
(And before you start making comments about veterinarians being well paid - more than one vet has given up that job to become a checkout chick or supermarket packer. Wages not much less, hours worked considerably less, quality 'me time' considerably more. )
 
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Ambulance Australia is a very good documentary series which shows how the ambulance works from the call centre to the ambulance paramedics on the road. There is a filtering system which prioritises the most high emergency cases. The link below will take you one of the seasons but there are links on the 10 play website for other seasons. Very informative.

 
Ambulance Australia is a very good documentary series which shows how the ambulance works from the call centre to the ambulance paramedics on the road. There is a filtering system which prioritises the most high emergency cases. The link below will take you one of the seasons but there are links on the 10 play website for other seasons. Very informative.

I also watch that one and another similar one ,last night RPA was back.
 
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