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Sydney dad gets fined $250 just because his son was crying

Parenting a toddler is hard enough without having to worry about keeping them completely silent.

Unfortunately for Sydney dad Marley Evans, his toddler has landed him in hot water with his building's owners corporation.



Marley, a single parent struggling to make ends meet, was recently slapped with a whopping $250 fine by his strata managers for 'continuous noise' from his two young sons.

He's currently living with his mother in her Dee Why apartment along with his sons: 4-year-old Jackson, who has a developmental delay and is nonverbal, and spirited 2-year-old Finn.


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Mr Evans with his two young children, Finn and Jackson. Credit: A Current Affair.



As any parent knows, crying and tantrums are a normal part of toddlerhood. But according to the fine, noises including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging' disturbed other residents—and Marley was expected to pay up.

'I feel quite, really upset, to be honest. It pushes us to the limit,' Marley told a news program.



What's more, Marley feels the fine is unjust since nobody approached him first.

'I would have preferred them to knock on the door, give us a warning and say: “Hey, look, can you try and keep it down?” but there was none of that. It was just a straight-up fine,' Marley said.

A month earlier, the family were also warned to keep their dog quiet.

Marley's mother, Sacha, who owns the apartment, has disputed the fine but claims the strata managers are demanding $210 per hour just to discuss it further. 'I thought that was very unfair, too,' Sacha said.

As a result of the fine, Marley feels like he has to constantly walk on eggshells in his own home. He's trying to take the boys to the park more often to avoid noises at home, but this can be challenging with Jackson's needs.

'Definitely walking on eggshells. It's quite annoying, to be honest, to live here and to put up with all of this,' Marley said.



Marley is pleading for understanding and compassion from his neighbours.

'Just to be easy on us, give us a fair go, just like everyone else. It's not fair what they've done to us,' he said. He and his mother are requesting the fine be revoked and an apology issued.

With the family's situation, another question comes to mind: is the fine itself even legal?

In accordance with NSW law, it is usual for properties to establish their own set of by-laws. These by-laws outline the expected conduct of residents, emphasising the importance of respectful behaviour that doesn't disrupt the peaceful enjoyment of the premises for others.

By-laws can cover a range of issues, including noise levels, parking regulations, pet ownership, smoking in communal areas, and the use of shared laundry facilities.



In instances where a resident breaches these established by-laws, the owners corporation, representing the property's collective ownership, can initially issue a notice to the offending neighbour, urging them to rectify the violation.

If the breach persists and the issue remains unresolved, the owners corporation has the authority to seek intervention from the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).

NCAT can then issue an order imposing a fine, with the funds payable to the owners corporation, as outlined in the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015, sections 146-147.

Key Takeaways

  • A Sydney father living in Dee Why was issued a $250 strata fine because of his kids' noise levels, which left him 'really upset'.
  • The father's four-year-old son Jackson lives with learning disabilities, making it harder to control his outbursts. His younger son, Finn, is just two.
  • The family claims that under NSW law, owners corporations cannot issue fines for breaches of the by-laws, such action can only be taken by the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).
  • According to his mother, who owns the property, the family was fined for breaking a by-law by 'continuously making noise', including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging', that 'disturbs other residents'. She wants the fine revoked and an apology.



What are your thoughts on this story, members? For those of you who have experienced living in shared buildings or apartments, have you ever dealt with a noisy neighbour before?

How did you handle the situation, and what was the outcome? Please take a moment to share your personal anecdotes, advice, or solutions with us in the comments section below.
 
Sydney dad gets fined $250 just because his son was crying

Parenting a toddler is hard enough without having to worry about keeping them completely silent.

Unfortunately for Sydney dad Marley Evans, his toddler has landed him in hot water with his building's owners corporation.



Marley, a single parent struggling to make ends meet, was recently slapped with a whopping $250 fine by his strata managers for 'continuous noise' from his two young sons.

He's currently living with his mother in her Dee Why apartment along with his sons: 4-year-old Jackson, who has a developmental delay and is nonverbal, and spirited 2-year-old Finn.


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Mr Evans with his two young children, Finn and Jackson. Credit: A Current Affair.



As any parent knows, crying and tantrums are a normal part of toddlerhood. But according to the fine, noises including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging' disturbed other residents—and Marley was expected to pay up.

'I feel quite, really upset, to be honest. It pushes us to the limit,' Marley told a news program.



What's more, Marley feels the fine is unjust since nobody approached him first.

'I would have preferred them to knock on the door, give us a warning and say: “Hey, look, can you try and keep it down?” but there was none of that. It was just a straight-up fine,' Marley said.

A month earlier, the family were also warned to keep their dog quiet.

Marley's mother, Sacha, who owns the apartment, has disputed the fine but claims the strata managers are demanding $210 per hour just to discuss it further. 'I thought that was very unfair, too,' Sacha said.

As a result of the fine, Marley feels like he has to constantly walk on eggshells in his own home. He's trying to take the boys to the park more often to avoid noises at home, but this can be challenging with Jackson's needs.

'Definitely walking on eggshells. It's quite annoying, to be honest, to live here and to put up with all of this,' Marley said.



Marley is pleading for understanding and compassion from his neighbours.

'Just to be easy on us, give us a fair go, just like everyone else. It's not fair what they've done to us,' he said. He and his mother are requesting the fine be revoked and an apology issued.

With the family's situation, another question comes to mind: is the fine itself even legal?

In accordance with NSW law, it is usual for properties to establish their own set of by-laws. These by-laws outline the expected conduct of residents, emphasising the importance of respectful behaviour that doesn't disrupt the peaceful enjoyment of the premises for others.

By-laws can cover a range of issues, including noise levels, parking regulations, pet ownership, smoking in communal areas, and the use of shared laundry facilities.



In instances where a resident breaches these established by-laws, the owners corporation, representing the property's collective ownership, can initially issue a notice to the offending neighbour, urging them to rectify the violation.

If the breach persists and the issue remains unresolved, the owners corporation has the authority to seek intervention from the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).

NCAT can then issue an order imposing a fine, with the funds payable to the owners corporation, as outlined in the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015, sections 146-147.

Key Takeaways

  • A Sydney father living in Dee Why was issued a $250 strata fine because of his kids' noise levels, which left him 'really upset'.
  • The father's four-year-old son Jackson lives with learning disabilities, making it harder to control his outbursts. His younger son, Finn, is just two.
  • The family claims that under NSW law, owners corporations cannot issue fines for breaches of the by-laws, such action can only be taken by the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).
  • According to his mother, who owns the property, the family was fined for breaking a by-law by 'continuously making noise', including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging', that 'disturbs other residents'. She wants the fine revoked and an apology.



What are your thoughts on this story, members? For those of you who have experienced living in shared buildings or apartments, have you ever dealt with a noisy neighbour before?

How did you handle the situation, and what was the outcome? Please take a moment to share your personal anecdotes, advice, or solutions with us in the comments se
I've already told my wife that if I die before her, which is very likely and she decides to sell and get a smaller gaff, then to make sure that it is free and clear and not subject to strata titles and this bullshit.
 
Sydney dad gets fined $250 just because his son was crying

Parenting a toddler is hard enough without having to worry about keeping them completely silent.

Unfortunately for Sydney dad Marley Evans, his toddler has landed him in hot water with his building's owners corporation.



Marley, a single parent struggling to make ends meet, was recently slapped with a whopping $250 fine by his strata managers for 'continuous noise' from his two young sons.

He's currently living with his mother in her Dee Why apartment along with his sons: 4-year-old Jackson, who has a developmental delay and is nonverbal, and spirited 2-year-old Finn.


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Mr Evans with his two young children, Finn and Jackson. Credit: A Current Affair.



As any parent knows, crying and tantrums are a normal part of toddlerhood. But according to the fine, noises including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging' disturbed other residents—and Marley was expected to pay up.

'I feel quite, really upset, to be honest. It pushes us to the limit,' Marley told a news program.



What's more, Marley feels the fine is unjust since nobody approached him first.

'I would have preferred them to knock on the door, give us a warning and say: “Hey, look, can you try and keep it down?” but there was none of that. It was just a straight-up fine,' Marley said.

A month earlier, the family were also warned to keep their dog quiet.

Marley's mother, Sacha, who owns the apartment, has disputed the fine but claims the strata managers are demanding $210 per hour just to discuss it further. 'I thought that was very unfair, too,' Sacha said.

As a result of the fine, Marley feels like he has to constantly walk on eggshells in his own home. He's trying to take the boys to the park more often to avoid noises at home, but this can be challenging with Jackson's needs.

'Definitely walking on eggshells. It's quite annoying, to be honest, to live here and to put up with all of this,' Marley said.



Marley is pleading for understanding and compassion from his neighbours.

'Just to be easy on us, give us a fair go, just like everyone else. It's not fair what they've done to us,' he said. He and his mother are requesting the fine be revoked and an apology issued.

With the family's situation, another question comes to mind: is the fine itself even legal?

In accordance with NSW law, it is usual for properties to establish their own set of by-laws. These by-laws outline the expected conduct of residents, emphasising the importance of respectful behaviour that doesn't disrupt the peaceful enjoyment of the premises for others.

By-laws can cover a range of issues, including noise levels, parking regulations, pet ownership, smoking in communal areas, and the use of shared laundry facilities.



In instances where a resident breaches these established by-laws, the owners corporation, representing the property's collective ownership, can initially issue a notice to the offending neighbour, urging them to rectify the violation.

If the breach persists and the issue remains unresolved, the owners corporation has the authority to seek intervention from the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).

NCAT can then issue an order imposing a fine, with the funds payable to the owners corporation, as outlined in the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015, sections 146-147.

Key Takeaways

  • A Sydney father living in Dee Why was issued a $250 strata fine because of his kids' noise levels, which left him 'really upset'.
  • The father's four-year-old son Jackson lives with learning disabilities, making it harder to control his outbursts. His younger son, Finn, is just two.
  • The family claims that under NSW law, owners corporations cannot issue fines for breaches of the by-laws, such action can only be taken by the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT).
  • According to his mother, who owns the property, the family was fined for breaking a by-law by 'continuously making noise', including 'yelling, screaming, crying and door banging', that 'disturbs other residents'. She wants the fine revoked and an apology.



What are your thoughts on this story, members? For those of you who have experienced living in shared buildings or apartments, have you ever dealt with a noisy neighbour before?

How did you handle the situation, and what was the outcome? Please take a moment to share your personal anecdotes, advice, or solutions with us in the comments section below.
No one is in a position to give feedback without a lot more information. What are the tenants like? Are they friendly and approachable? Was the correct procedure followed? What do the neighbours have to say? If the father can take the children out to the park now to alleviate the problem why wasn’t he doing that before?
A very one sided story!
 
I really feel for that poor Dad, he certainly has his hands full with these little ones but I also feel for the other tenants who are most definitely entitled to peace and quiet in their own homes, personally I'd hate to be hearing screaming and banging and temper tantrums all the time. A real shame that discussion wasn't had between all parties before it came to this
 
They cannot issue fines and have acted illegally doing so contact your strata management company for redress.
I would be curious about one thing. If the mother actually owns the unit, then technically her son and his 2 children would be guests.
Mother should be the one handed the fine, not the son. How does that work? Seems that maybe the fine was handed to the wrong person to begin with, if at all, to anyone??
Yep, I would definitely tell them to take it to court.
 
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2 kids with a disability contact a disability advocasy group or the Minister for Disabilities if the kids have a Speech O T or behaviour therapist they can support the dad to appeal the fine by writing a support letter
I fail to see what a monetary fine is going to do to help any situation to do with normal children and noise…it’s a money making scheme. Load of garbage.
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Living in a SIL house with both a mental and physical issue or issues, I think you'll find letters from support workers or assistant workers won't do anything. Especially if we're living in private homes. We're the small group, and we're a long way from the top. Whether we be children, adults, toddlers or babies, it's irrelevant. My first SIL house had a screamer next door, neighbours had tried for months to shut him up. A lot of SIL or group houses move into an area without giving notices to neighbours. The police come round, notice is given. Nothing happens. Noise affects everyone. They need to come up with another solution. It's just another item on the list.
 

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