Sunrise panel heats up as guests clash—Nat Barr steps in to calm debate

Live television is never short on drama, but even seasoned viewers of Sunrise were left wide-eyed when host Natalie Barr was forced to step in and restore order during a particularly heated debate between her guests.

The topic? Nothing less than Australia’s response to a major international crisis—one that’s got the whole world talking.



A discussion about Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s response to the ongoing Iran crisis became increasingly tense during a segment on Channel Seven, culminating in a heated exchange between two panellists, with one asking: ‘Whose side are you on?’

Mr Albanese addressed the media at around 11.30am on Monday, more than 24 hours after former US President Donald Trump launched a series of so-called 'bunker bombs' targeting three of Iran’s nuclear facilities, marking a significant escalation in the Middle East conflict.

Initially, a government spokesperson did not directly support the US strikes, and when Mr Albanese did issue a statement, he described the military action as a ‘unilateral action taken by the United States’, only later expressing support for the decision.


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A fiery debate broke out on Sunrise as panellists Amanda Rose and James Willis clashed over Prime Minister Albanese’s response to the US bombing of Iranian nuclear sites, with Rose calling for more independence and criticism of the Trump administration. Image source: Sunrise / Youtube.



During a panel discussion hosted by Sunrise presenter Natalie Barr, Amanda Rose, founding director of Western Sydney Women, criticised the Prime Minister’s stance, suggesting that he should have taken a firmer position against the US.

‘They (the government) shouldn't just support the US simply because they've supported us before,’ she said. ‘They can say, “Yes, we have an alliance with the US but we don't agree with what Donald Trump has done”.’

Fellow panellist James Willis, a journalist for the Daily Telegraph, countered that maintaining strong ties with the US was critical to Australia’s national interest.

‘It works both ways. If Australia is ever under threat, we would expect America and the UK to come to our aid—it’s as simple as that,’ he argued.

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Ms Rose responded by questioning the reliability of the US under Trump’s leadership, stating: ‘We can't have an alliance with a leader of a country who is so unstable, that not only does he bomb another country, he then provokes them.’

She added that Mr Albanese lacked a direct relationship with Trump and had failed to make Australia's position clear.

‘Maybe if Albanese had that conversation with Trump and actually had a relationship with him, he could say, “We don't agree with this”. But he doesn't. He hasn't done anything.’

‘We are sitting ducks in Australia. We have no defence strategy. There is no defending us from our leaders’ perspective—and then we just say we support the USA.’

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Willis reiterated the importance of the US alliance, saying: ‘Which is why if it ever came to it, we would need the United States and the UK to come to our aid.’

Rose replied: ‘What a sad state of affairs that Australia doesn't have a strong enough defence that we actually have to rely on a country.’

At this point, Natalie Barr stepped in to moderate the conversation, noting: ‘We never have though—for decades and decades the US has been our big daddy.’

Barr also pointed out that Iran had breached the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, a key factor in Trump’s decision to act. However, Ms Rose responded by criticising what she described as double standards in global nuclear policy.



‘What they're saying is we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons. However, Russia, China, Israel, America can have them,’ she said.

She continued: ‘Even America who's got a track record of lying about the weapons of mass destruction in order to enter a country to bomb them, so they don't have a history of being honest about starting war.’

‘They've got nuclear weapons. But other people can't have them. It's the hypocrisy.’

Her comments prompted Willis to interject: ‘Whose side are you on here, honestly?’

To which Rose replied: ‘The innocent people that are going to be killed if there's World War Three!’


Source: ABC News (Australia) / Youtube.​


Willis then said: ‘One of these countries could've been weeks away from using nuclear weapons. If there was intelligence to that effect, America has to act.’

Ms Rose responded: ‘They've been saying that for 30 years.’

The two continued speaking over one another until Barr stepped in again to restore order.

When questioned about the timing of his response, Mr Albanese said: ‘We aren't a central player in this conflict, that's just a fact.’

‘What we do is we run an orderly, stable government. But I made comments about this in three countries over recent days. My comments today (Monday) are perfectly consistent with that.’

Earlier on Tuesday, Mr Trump posted on social media declaring a ceasefire between Iran and Israel.

‘It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a Complete and Total CEASEFIRE … for 12 hours, at which point the War will be considered, ENDED,’ he wrote.

However, reports of continued rocket fire followed the statement, and Iran’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Abbas Araghchi, stated that no such agreement had been reached. Israel has not yet commented.

Key Takeaways
  • A fiery debate broke out on Sunrise as panellists Amanda Rose and James Willis clashed over Prime Minister Albanese’s response to the US bombing of Iranian nuclear sites, with Rose calling for more independence and criticism of the Trump administration.
  • The discussion highlighted concerns over Australia’s reliance on its alliance with the United States and the UK for national defence, with some arguing that Australia needs a stronger defence strategy of its own.
  • Amanda Rose accused the US of hypocrisy for opposing Iran’s nuclear program while keeping its own nuclear arsenal, pointing out inconsistencies in how nuclear weapons are treated globally.
  • Despite Trump’s claim of a 12-hour ceasefire between Iran and Israel, hostilities and uncertainty continue, with both Iran and Israel disputing the existence of any such agreement.

Do you feel Australia should always stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the United States, or is it wiser to take a more independent path? And how confident are you in the way our leaders are managing these complex international issues? Share your opinions in the comments below!
 

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Amanda Rose quite obviously has ZERO IDEA...she is not informed nor is she qualified in any subject relating to nuclear weapons, war, diplomacy or politics...I think this woman needs to sit down and shut up and learn to listen.
 
The USA under Trump is not a reliable ally of Australia, and it is time the politicians and, apparently, a lot of Australians realise this. Trump has always praised Putin, Xi Jing Ping, and Kim Jung Un; claiming 'friendship' with them during his first term as president; claiming he has influence on Putin. He's since come to the realisation that Putin has played him for the fool he is, so he's not fond of Putin at the moment. Trump has also expressed admiration for how Hitler worked. He's hit us and all the USA's traditional allies with tariffs (but then again, he's also imposed tariffs on Heard and Macquarie Islands!), won't discuss the issue with Albo. He committed an unprovoked act of war - essentially declared war on Iran - when he bombed Iran (nowhere near as successfully as he claims, it would seem!). Trump is nothing less than a narcissistic megalomaniac with delusions of godhood. Australia needs to strengthen ties with more reliable allies.
 
Problem being that none of us here sitting on the sidelines really have any idea of what is going on, all we know is what we're told and at the end of the day how reliable is any of that.
We are fed bullshit everyday.
Trump says obliteration. Other sources say not so. We're not there, we don't actually know.
Obviously Iran is a big world problem, I don't think anybody doubts that, but how can we believe anything coming out of USA either.
We followed them into a war in Vietnam. We followed them into a war in Iraq, supposedly searching for weapons of mass destruction only to discover thst they knew all along there weren't any.
It is very hard to believe anything that Mr Trump says as he lies all the time, flip flops all over the place changing his mind from one day to the next, depending on whichever way the wind is blowing on that particular day.
Still as people say militarily we are toast without them. Our own military is so depleted we could hardly defend Tasmania, let alone the whole of Australia.
So all we can do is sit and wait for the outcome of a pretty messy situation.
 
Amanda Rose quite obviously has ZERO IDEA...she is not informed nor is she qualified in any subject relating to nuclear weapons, war, diplomacy or politics...I think this woman needs to sit down and shut up and learn to listen.
Actually listen to who?? Trump?? Well that's a joke. Albo?? Another joke.
How do you know Amsnda Rose has zero idea of any of the things you mention?
Do you know her personally?
I don't know the woman, never heard of her actually so obviously I can't comment on what she does or doesn't know, and wouldn't have the impertinence to do so.
Many people have considerable knowledge about many things, not necessarily to do with what their occupation is.
 
Problem being that none of us here sitting on the sidelines really have any idea of what is going on, all we know is what we're told and at the end of the day how reliable is any of that.
We are fed bullshit everyday.
Trump says obliteration. Other sources say not so. We're not there, we don't actually know.
Obviously Iran is a big world problem, I don't think anybody doubts that, but how can we believe anything coming out of USA either.
We followed them into a war in Vietnam. We followed them into a war in Iraq, supposedly searching for weapons of mass destruction only to discover thst they knew all along there weren't any.
It is very hard to believe anything that Mr Trump says as he lies all the time, flip flops all over the place changing his mind from one day to the next, depending on whichever way the wind is blowing on that particular day.
Still as people say militarily we are toast without them. Our own military is so depleted we could hardly defend Tasmania, let alone the whole of Australia.
So all we can do is sit and wait for the outcome of a pretty messy situation.
He is a Politician!
 
It doesnt really matter whether Australia supports Trump (not the USA) or not, Trump (again not the USA!) will do what suits him and him alone at any given time! He wants to be the "King of the World", like Hitler before him, and will do anything to make that happen. He says one thing today and does something else the next, he s unreliable and unpredictable, he s a lying convicted criminal! Most of us would not want to have anything to do with him privately. I personally dont believe that "cease fire agreement" ever existed! He reported it to look like the important negotiator and peacemaker, but nobody else mentioned it, and more bombs were falling just after his news! we wont know if his attack really destroyed Iran s nuclear facilities or if he and his allies just claim so, and we dont know yet what consequences this action might have. But we know that we cant rely on the USA to help us in case of need, at least not under this president. You may be his BFF one day, but he ll kick you (or kill you!)/turns against you the very next day if it suits his purpose ... think Elon, Putin, etc. It s dangerous to speak out against him, people who did so publicly (like the female judge) have disappeared... so I think Albanese is right not to say too much. As long as he "flies low" Trump just ignores Australia and we are relatively safe...
 
It doesnt really matter whether Australia supports Trump (not the USA) or not, Trump (again not the USA!) will do what suits him and him alone at any given time! He wants to be the "King of the World", like Hitler before him, and will do anything to make that happen. He says one thing today and does something else the next, he s unreliable and unpredictable, he s a lying convicted criminal! Most of us would not want to have anything to do with him privately. I personally dont believe that "cease fire agreement" ever existed! He reported it to look like the important negotiator and peacemaker, but nobody else mentioned it, and more bombs were falling just after his news! we wont know if his attack really destroyed Iran s nuclear facilities or if he and his allies just claim so, and we dont know yet what consequences this action might have. But we know that we cant rely on the USA to help us in case of need, at least not under this president. You may be his BFF one day, but he ll kick you (or kill you!)/turns against you the very next day if it suits his purpose ... think Elon, Putin, etc. It s dangerous to speak out against him, people who did so publicly (like the female judge) have disappeared... so I think Albanese is right not to say too much. As long as he "flies low" Trump just ignores Australia and we are relatively safe...
with your remarks sounds like you know President Trump personally. Be bloody thankful the world has him.
 
Actually listen to who?? Trump?? Well that's a joke. Albo?? Another joke.
How do you know Amsnda Rose has zero idea of any of the things you mention?
Do you know her personally?
I don't know the woman, never heard of her actually so obviously I can't comment on what she does or doesn't know, and wouldn't have the impertinence to do so.
Many people have considerable knowledge about many things, not necessarily to do with what their occupation is.
Her comments seem to indicate a pretty limited understanding.
 
The USA under Trump is not a reliable ally of Australia, and it is time the politicians and, apparently, a lot of Australians realise this. Trump has always praised Putin, Xi Jing Ping, and Kim Jung Un; claiming 'friendship' with them during his first term as president; claiming he has influence on Putin. He's since come to the realisation that Putin has played him for the fool he is, so he's not fond of Putin at the moment. Trump has also expressed admiration for how Hitler worked. He's hit us and all the USA's traditional allies with tariffs (but then again, he's also imposed tariffs on Heard and Macquarie Islands!), won't discuss the issue with Albo. He committed an unprovoked act of war - essentially declared war on Iran - when he bombed Iran (nowhere near as successfully as he claims, it would seem!). Trump is nothing less than a narcissistic megalomaniac with delusions of godhood. Australia needs to strengthen ties with more reliable allies.
You said the key word. Reliable. This man changes with the wind
 
Problem being that none of us here sitting on the sidelines really have any idea of what is going on, all we know is what we're told and at the end of the day how reliable is any of that.
We are fed bullshit everyday.
Trump says obliteration. Other sources say not so. We're not there, we don't actually know.
Obviously Iran is a big world problem, I don't think anybody doubts that, but how can we believe anything coming out of USA either.
We followed them into a war in Vietnam. We followed them into a war in Iraq, supposedly searching for weapons of mass destruction only to discover thst they knew all along there weren't any.
It is very hard to believe anything that Mr Trump says as he lies all the time, flip flops all over the place changing his mind from one day to the next, depending on whichever way the wind is blowing on that particular day.
Still as people say militarily we are toast without them. Our own military is so depleted we could hardly defend Tasmania, let alone the whole of Australia.
So all we can do is sit and wait for the outcome of a pretty messy situation.
Shades of the Second World War, we are sitting ducks without suppprt
 
The USA under Trump is not a reliable ally of Australia, and it is time the politicians and, apparently, a lot of Australians realise this. Trump has always praised Putin, Xi Jing Ping, and Kim Jung Un; claiming 'friendship' with them during his first term as president; claiming he has influence on Putin. He's since come to the realisation that Putin has played him for the fool he is, so he's not fond of Putin at the moment. Trump has also expressed admiration for how Hitler worked. He's hit us and all the USA's traditional allies with tariffs (but then again, he's also imposed tariffs on Heard and Macquarie Islands!), won't discuss the issue with Albo. He committed an unprovoked act of war - essentially declared war on Iran - when he bombed Iran (nowhere near as successfully as he claims, it would seem!). Trump is nothing less than a narcissistic megalomaniac with delusions of godhood. Australia needs to strengthen ties with more reliable allies.
"Praised"???? BS!!!!!
 

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