Former prime minister sparks fiery debate with TV host: 'We believe in free speech'

A lively exchange on Australian television has sparked widespread discussion.

A well-known public figure and a media personality clashed over a contentious issue that continues to divide opinions.

The heated debate captivated viewers, with strong opinions emerging on both sides.


In a recent episode of Channel 10's The Project that has everyone buzzing, former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull found himself in a heated exchange with co-host Steve Price.

The tension was palpable as the two men clashed over the controversial AUKUS nuclear submarines deal, which has been stirring up debate nationwide.

'Obviously, Peter Dutton would like you to shut up, and so would Albo (Anthony Albanese), presumably,' Price said.


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A tense on-air exchange was seen between Malcolm Turnbull and Steve Price over the AUKUS deal. Credit: YouTube


'Well, so would you presumably—but then you shouldn't have asked me to come on the program.'

The AUKUS agreement, a strategic partnership between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States, has been a hot topic since its announcement.

It's a bold move aimed at bolstering defence capabilities in the Indo-Pacific region, particularly in response to perceived Chinese aggression.


The deal, which could cost Australian taxpayers up to $368 billion, involves the acquisition of eight nuclear-powered submarines, including three US Virginia-class and a new range of SSN-AUKUS-class hybrid vessels.

Turnbull, who led the country as the Liberal prime minister before his successor, Scott Morrison, expressed his concerns about the deal on the show.

He fears Australia might never see these submarines despite the hefty price tag.

His worries stem from a clause in the deal allowing the US to prioritise its naval needs over supplying Australia with the submarines should there be a shortfall.

Turnbull didn't mince words when he described the situation as 'a fiasco.'

The conversation took a sharp turn when Price questioned Turnbull's timing and choice to speak out, suggesting that it was inappropriate for a former prime minister to criticise such a sensitive deal amidst global tensions.


Turnbull's response was swift and pointed, 'Well, so would you presumably—but then you shouldn't have asked me to come on the program.'

The exchange grew even more intense when Price remarked that it wasn't his choice to have Turnbull on the show.

'We believe in free speech in Australia,' Turnbull said.

As the discussion continued, Turnbull was asked what he would do about the submarines if he were in Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's shoes.

He proposed a rather drastic solution: having Australians serve on American submarines under the American flag, a move he acknowledged would be a significant loss to Australia's sovereignty.

Turnbull's insistence on transparency from current and aspiring political leaders, including Peter Dutton, struck a chord with many viewers.


He urged them to be honest about the risks associated with the AUKUS deal, including the possibility that Australia might not receive the submarines at all.

Even in the face of criticism, the former PM's candidness and willingness to speak his mind resonated with many Australians concerned about the country's defence strategy and financial commitments.

His appearance on The Project has sparked a broader conversation about the role of former leaders in public discourse and the importance of holding current politicians accountable.

As the debate over the AUKUS deal continues, it's clear that the stakes are high, and the opinions are strong.

With Australian submariners already training in the US and plans to build the vessels on home soil by the 2040s, the nation is watching closely to see how this ambitious project will unfold.


Credit: YouTube

Key Takeaways

  • Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull engaged in a tense on-air exchange with The Project host Steve Price regarding the AUKUS nuclear submarines deal.
  • Turnbull raised concerns about the feasibility and strategic implications of the submarine deal, which could cost up to $368 billion.
  • He criticised the current government for not being open and honest about the potential risks of not receiving the submarines due to stipulations in the US legislation.
  • Turnbull and The Project’s co-hosts discussed the significant implications of the AUKUS partnership for Australia's defence capabilities and sovereignty.
What do you think, dear members of the Seniors Discount Club? Should former prime ministers speak out on current affairs, or should they remain silent? And what are your thoughts on the AUKUS deal and its implications for Australia's future? Join the conversation and let us know in the comments below.
 

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Hello Mr Chips. Thank you for your service in Vietnam. You guys were treated the worst of all. Australia's shame. I will see what I can dig up and make sure it's OK to share. Cheers, Craig
Thank you for all that. We were treated quite well and I was proud to serve my Country.
 
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You think, these "soft-hearted children" who sign up these days will ever defend Australia, the instructors are not even allowed to raise their voices to them, let alone teach what to do should they find themselves in a warlike situation. 🤬 🤬
The current generation is not conditioned for military life. But then, it wasn't for everyone in our generation either. I would like to believe that if push came to shove, they would step up. I am sure my grandfather thought I was too soft to do the things he did. I honestly don't know if I could. The way we fight has changes so much over the years. Things like drones etc mean that you don't have to look into a person's eyes when you are about to oppose them. More like a video game. So, perhaps this generation will be OK.

I recall a movie a long time ago where if countries went to war, they sent the two presidents out to fight one another, rather than troops. Perhaps we should push for that. Imagine our "leaders" donning military garb and stepping onto a battleground. I think not. They don't serve Chablis or a Cafe au Latte in the field.
 
So do I, and the many people in/who were in the ADF. It took so much from me and others. Unfortunately, they happen and our soldiers, sailors and airmen are the real deterrent. They don't start wars, governments do. Hate the government, not the serviceman/woman.
You are so right, I have nothing but respect for service men and women. What courage, and how they have been let down by their own countries. You should see the carnage around this district, ex-servicemen, (I don`t know any current or ex-service women.) Serious health issues. I had a grandfather, my father and I forgot my father in law and they`re all dead with illness directly related to a war. Most of the homeless men are ex-veterans who have been damaged through war.. No excuse at all!!
 
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They are FORMER Prime Ministers and as such should hold their tongue when it comes to political issues. They had their day. Unfortunately for some and only a couple they need the public attention at any cost. We all know Malcolm was born to rule and his is still struggling trying to swallow the bitter pill that the public did not want him as a PM - he now aspires to be our first President - after all he was born to rule - just ask him!!
Funny I thought that was Keatings ambition....I think he hates the USA and Loves CHINA more than Turnbull.
 
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You are so right, I have nothing but respect for service men and women. What courage, and how they have been let down by their own countries. You should see the carnage around this district, ex-servicemen, (I don`t know any current or ex-service women.) Serious health issues. I had a grandfather, my father and I forgot my father in law and they`re all dead with illness directly related to a war. Most of the homeless men are ex-veterans who have been damaged through war.. No excuse at all!!
I left Australia for the first time when my daughter was six months old. I came back when she was a little girl, walking and talking. We didn't have mobiles or the internet and out in the bush, telephones were non-existent. We didn't come home at all in the year I was away. I received bulk letters every fortnight. When I came home, she didn't know me. I was just a person who was in the house and taking some attention from her mum. It took three months to regain her trust. The only time I could hold her without her screaming was when she was asleep.

The next time I was sent overseas, my son was nearly three. Another year lost of his life, my daughter and my wife. All that, and a few injuries I got and I was treated like a pariah. I was then posted to a unit where there were no other veterans. No-one to talk to. No-one understood what we had done. Not many people even knew (or cared) that we were overseas. The places I went were never on the news, at least the Australian involvement was not.

Fast forward many years, and many of my men have taken their own lives. Yet still we fight to get reimbursed for the physical and psychological damage that we suffered. The government resists at every turn. They pay lip-service and say they help, but it is not real. I had to leave because of the way they treated me and then how they treated my beloved wife. She and my kids kept me alive.

Sorry, I have said too much. But I can share because none of you know me. Therefore, you can't look at me and see the monster or the repaired (broken) man that I was. I was lucky that I had a great family that allowed me to rise above the things I was feeling.
 
I left Australia for the first time when my daughter was six months old. I came back when she was a little girl, walking and talking. We didn't have mobiles or the internet and out in the bush, telephones were non-existent. We didn't come home at all in the year I was away. I received bulk letters every fortnight. When I came home, she didn't know me. I was just a person who was in the house and taking some attention from her mum. It took three months to regain her trust. The only time I could hold her without her screaming was when she was asleep.

The next time I was sent overseas, my son was nearly three. Another year lost of his life, my daughter and my wife. All that, and a few injuries I got and I was treated like a pariah. I was then posted to a unit where there were no other veterans. No-one to talk to. No-one understood what we had done. Not many people even knew (or cared) that we were overseas. The places I went were never on the news, at least the Australian involvement was not.

Fast forward many years, and many of my men have taken their own lives. Yet still we fight to get reimbursed for the physical and psychological damage that we suffered. The government resists at every turn. They pay lip-service and say they help, but it is not real. I had to leave because of the way they treated me and then how they treated my beloved wife. She and my kids kept me alive.

Sorry, I have said too much. But I can share because none of you know me. Therefore, you can't look at me and see the monster or the repaired (broken) man that I was. I was lucky that I had a great family that allowed me to rise above the things I was feeling.
Thank you for sharing this information. I can relate as someone who has not been enlisted but, my father was away until I was 3 yrs old, and when he returned I was so scared of him, it damaged our relationship for years. Eventually we developed a good relationship, but it took time, he passed away 25 yrs ago and while I`m writing this I remember him with love, he was a great loss!!.
 
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The current generation is not conditioned for military life. But then, it wasn't for everyone in our generation either. I would like to believe that if push came to shove, they would step up. I am sure my grandfather thought I was too soft to do the things he did. I honestly don't know if I could. The way we fight has changes so much over the years. Things like drones etc mean that you don't have to look into a person's eyes when you are about to oppose them. More like a video game. So, perhaps this generation will be OK.

I recall a movie a long time ago where if countries went to war, they sent the two presidents out to fight one another, rather than troops. Perhaps we should push for that. Imagine our "leaders" donning military garb and stepping onto a battleground. I think not. They don't serve Chablis or a Cafe au Latte in the field.
Indeed! I always think the "leaders" should do the fighting, one on one. Makes me think of the song by System of a Down “BYOB” - “...Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor”. Respect and gratitude to all Defence Personnel.
 
Thank you for sharing this information. I can relate as someone who has not been enlisted but, my father was away until I was 3 yrs old, and when he returned I was so scared of him, it damaged our relationship for years. Eventually we developed a good relationship, but it took time, he passed away 25 yrs ago and while I`m writing this I remember him with love, he was a great loss!!.
I totally understand and am sorry for your loss. Time does not really diminish these things. I too have a great relationship with both my kids and my grandchild. My wife and I enjoy their company immensely. Thank you for listening.
 
Malcolm Turnbull has displayed bitterness and a willingness to poke his spike into any positive policy by conservatives. He is a great asset to Labor such is his antagonism towards his previous colleagues. A dog in the manger and no friend to anyone except himself.
 
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Malcolm Turnbull has displayed bitterness and a willingness to poke his spike into any positive policy by conservatives. He is a great asset to Labor such is his antagonism towards his previous colleagues. A dog in the manger and no friend to anyone except himself.
What positive policy from the conservatives? Or Labor?
 
Trade one 'master' for another. We are Australia, not USA or France or any other country. Submarines are an outdated platform. Read my post a few back.
We are headed to drones, and the French deal was much more equal. We could have revised the design to be nuclear for much less money.
 
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is that not what he is supposed to be doing as President of the USA. Australia is not of his concern. I am sure albo would not get an invite as he is unable to run a chook run. you made a very silly remark.
For Trump, he could look up what leadership means. With power there is responsibility. Neither Albo or Dutton could run a chook farm, or a raffle.
 
They are FORMER Prime Ministers and as such should hold their tongue when it comes to political issues. They had their day. Unfortunately for some and only a couple they need the public attention at any cost. We all know Malcolm was born to rule and his is still struggling trying to swallow the bitter pill that the public did not want him as a PM - he now aspires to be our first President - after all he was born to rule - just ask him!!
Abbott couldn`t keep his mouth shut either.! He settled down because nobody was listening to him.!
 
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This is just a taster: https://www.news.com.au/technology/...e/news-story/6c4040a415f13bfe444f9e492e23ed79. These are USA made units, but I know of a few businesses here that are building non-military vehicles that are similar. They measure water turbidity, movement of surface and aircraft etc. Very easily converted to a military application made in Australia.

For every Virginia Class boat, we can get several thousand drones.
Craig perhaps you should try to bend the ear of the Defence minister or the current shadow minister - hopefully he will be in power shortly. Your theories make much more sense than the politicians or their "advisers" who have their own agenda.
 
Yes. The whole AUKUS deal is very costly to us. The power of it is mainly to the advantage of the USA. We have a housing crisis. Consider how many houses could be built with that money. we need to focus on our countries needs not the wants of the American military industry.
Problem being we have a massive undersupply of tradies to build these houses.
 

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